Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

[Christinapple]

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

Most transmen do not look like men really, they are women's height, small hands, often wide hips, and wispy beard.

What is the danger they are in?

The vast majority of assaults are committed by men. Women are pretty accommodating if you explain. Women are generally capable of talking before raising their fists.

The problem is in your thread title. The word cis doesn't mean anything. The word lesbian foes mean doneyhjng hut has no relevance here. Thread title should be, 'Woman wrongly removed from female toilet.' That's clear and allows everyone to address the issue. No, the woman should not have been removed from the toilet. She us owed an apology and the hotel should be grovelling to her and offering compensation for the unacceptable humiliation. End of.

In a separate issue which you seem to be conflating so I will also address it. Men shouldn't be in womens toilets.

Toilets are not a red herring. Toilets are crucial to this argument and have been used as a Trojan horse to access other female only spaces on the excuse 'we just want to x'. Women cannot be in the public sphere without provision of safe and private lavatories. I do not understand why anyone minimises this issue.
Also if men in frocks were not using women's facilities there would be no problem for women who are gender-nonconforming.

Well exactly.
Another tall tale.

I am a trans man, and have known quite a few. Most of us are easily clocked as biologically female.

Very likely.

Yup, dude looks like a lady. 😊https://rabbit-green-dz2y.squarespace.com/strengthandconfidence

I'm also left wondering (without granting the validity of the rotten bloody concept in the slightest, you understand...) how a lesbian can be anything other than "cisgender" in the first place? Surely if she identifies as anything other than a woman she no longer complies with the definition of the term? And the whole extra rabble-rousing descriptor is redundant anyway?

Candid photos tell a different story, seeing someone in real life even more so:

Do I need to post this for you again?

Apologies, I should have tagged BeyondMyWits.

ID and genital checks are ridiculous suggestions, yet we see them all the time.

Incidentally. Re: the thread title.
Lesbians are lesbians.
Adult human females.
They don't need some gobshite descriptor referring to them as " cisgender".
They are biological women, who happen to be same sex attracted. HtH OP.

Women are most at risk of sexual violence in their own homes. If we really want to protect women from male violence we should focus our attention on domestic abuse.

It's an extract from the Abuser's Handbook - coercive control chapter:

"Look what you made me do! UK women arguing they shouldn't be forced to undress in front of unknown men (Sandie Peggie / Darlington nurses etc) and share toilets with them are directly responsible for security guards in the USA challenging lesbians behaving badly in a toilet".

"It's all your fault! You'll be publicly shamed and written about in Prick news..."

Yes, some trans men pass, but most of us can only dream of looking like this. Before TRAs broke the social contract, the trans men in these pics were allowed to go the men's, and nobody said anything. Blame the TRAs if now they have to go to the women's.

How does one prove one is a cis woman when there is no such thing?

I still maintain that the vast majority of people are decent and will follow the law. If a transman feels that their transition could cause worry or anxiety if they use single-sex facilities for their sex, I am sure that they will use unisex options and plan to take that into account.

Frankly, transmen - being female - will know and understand things far more than a transwoman ever could imagine about the reality of being female.

... and sod the girls who were the victims of men such as Dolatowski?

Chris, you know how you think that sexual assaults, attacks, covert recordings, intrusion and intimidation of women, leading to women self excluding from toilets and schoolgirls suffering UTIs from holding their urine all day, are a fair price to pay so that men can do whatever they want despite having their own facilities to use?

Well, we think that inconveniencing the absolutely vanishingly tiny number of women who have chosen to present as men and somehow manage to do it so convincingly that they can't be sussed even when you talk to them for minute and they are trying to convince you, is a fair price to pay so that women don't have to put up with all the shite I mentioned above. Of course, if you lot hadn't spent ten years trying to force men on women everywhere with all the entirely predictable results, women wouldn't be in this increased state of high alert. That was predictable too.

The Transman Gotcha is addressed fully in the SC ruling, as I'm sure you know. If you care so much about transmen then I am sure you will devote yourself to campaigning for third spaces. Won't you?

Women can multi task…

Most of us are women, so we're well able to multi task thanks.

Also, where do the victims of domestic abuse go, if any man who says he's a woman is allowed in the women's refuge and the rape crisis centre? In my day in women's aid, occasionally men used to send their sister or mum in claiming to be victims to try to persuade women to go back. Now he can do it himself. Progress eh?

These guys at pink news?

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9q4zvwldvo

I’m not interested in blaming anyone. I’m interested in protecting people from harm.

If my area of concern (obstetric violence and poor maternal health outcomes) received half as much attention from all of the warriors on this and so many other threads, the media etcetera, I’m sure we could actually start to improve the life chances of women and girls. But no, we are stuck in a nonsensical debate about WCs. If you care about women’s health and futures start advocating for reproductive justice.

How does one care for "women’s health and futures" when one can't even define the word "woman"?

Trans identifying men commit sexual crimes at a much higher rate than men in general, and that’s why we want to keep them out.