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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:20

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:15

Oh, definitely not men who have self-ID'd without medication or surgery. Hell, no. They need to stay in the men's.

Then YOU are as transphobic as you have been declaring JK Rowling and the Supreme Court.

We finally got there.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 10:20

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 10:07

Yeah, this is what I meant by people using her as a signifier or a cipher to stand in for every woman they secretly rage against and hate and despise.

The accusations often have absolutely no connection to reality and aren't basing their raging on anything real, it's just projecting onto this made-up monster in their heads that they've pinned JKR's face onto.

Always best to respond simply with a link to the proof showing they are demonstrably wrong. They either go away (…well I can’t spend all day posting on social media - I’ve got a job to do/dog to walk or summat…).
Though sometimes, of course, there’s the ‘I demand sources!’ Ok, here you go. ‘No, not those sources!’

2021x · 04/05/2025 10:21

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:15

Oh, definitely not men who have self-ID'd without medication or surgery. Hell, no. They need to stay in the men's.

I thought so.... I also would be ok sharing a toilet with someone who had gone through assessment with professionals and had medication and surgery.

Like I said in my post I think Trans means something different from what we are used to. For examples lesbians have reported for years about something called the "cotton ceiling" which is the term that TG women use to refer to the fact that lesbians won't have sex with them.

I think these are the people the JKR is talking about. They are now calling themselves trans to get the same legal protections and acceptance as people who have undergone gender reassignement. These are the people who want us to believe TWAW becuause otherwise they can't access the spaces.

AnnabelC · 04/05/2025 10:22

There are people who have made a lot of money from this. Thank you JKR for calling it out.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:23

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:17

And yet....

YOU cannot see the need, so you initially dismissed the need.

You cannot really envisage the mechanics? How do you fit a pram into a small fully enclosed cubicle? How do you collapse a wheelchair if you cannot leave your mother's side lest she topple over? Or is it that people who have these needs should just not leave their houses... all so a male people can be treated as if they are who they materially are not?

How many 'fully enclosed' loos do you want to have taken up for an extended period of time while someone cleans and dries themselves? How will this work exactly when there is a queue already?

But THANK YOU! Thank you that we can have our toilets to use as we have been using them for a very long time.

My experience of the Starbucks and Waterstone enclosed loos is that they're a lot bigger than cubicles.

I didn't realise there would be any issues with enclosed loos like you describe. I just want everyone to feel safe. If I was Queen for a Day, I would give women whatever toilets they wanted and make third spaces for TW. And if TW objected, then I would consider that an unreasonable position.

HesSoBadHesGood · 04/05/2025 10:24

Oh, definitely not men who have self-ID'd without medication or surgery. Hell, no. They need to stay in the men's.

How can you tell the man still has a penis or not?

SerendipityJane · 04/05/2025 10:27

The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix

There is a slogan for a T-Shirt, a goth band, and a hit Netflix series all in one phrase.

Truly we are witnessing genius at work.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:27

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:20

Then YOU are as transphobic as you have been declaring JK Rowling and the Supreme Court.

We finally got there.

No, I'm not. I've said all along that I'm OK with sharing with TW who have transitioned. I've never said I'm OK sharing with men who self-ID - in fact, much earlier in this thread I said that I disagree with self-ID. But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

mumandgran24 · 04/05/2025 10:28

Switcher · 03/05/2025 22:12

I'm just so sad about all of it. I follow a lovely trans woman on twitter who has been fully post op for 20 years and her thread is littered with vile threats to her. She's said nothing controversial and is quite explicit about a) not being a woman, b) Not doing women's sport. I dunno, it's just a fucking mess, but yeah JKR is not wrong.

I saw an interview with a trans woman who had been post op for decades and interestingly she said that years ago whilst she would get the odd look most people would not say a word to her and she was just accepted and it was a kind of live and let live. BUT since the more milatant trans activists have been active she has had much more verbal attacks and nastiness and outright bigotry.

I love JKR and think she is putting up with a lot of nastiness and outright threats which is awful But there are also many gay activists who are also being attacked for agreeing there are only 2 biological sexes. I have heard some gay activists say they feel some elements of trans idiology would rather a lesbian be forced into becoming a trans man rather than accept same sexes can be attracted to each other.

The most awful things I have heard are young people who transitioned or partly transistioned only to realise what a mistake it was leaving them mutilated and devastated. Many talk of Drs when they mentioned body convidence issues immediately jumping to you must be trans and pushing down that route. Very little discussion of the long term medical effects of even an extremely sucessful transition. Many said they believe they had mental health issues or body dysmorphia rather than being trans but were given no other options but to be pushed down the trans route.

I think there should be more emphysis on mental health treatment and counselling to work out exactly what a persons issues are. I don't think you should have puberty blockers or hormones or non reversable operations for teenagers. If someone has been through counselling and still at an age where you are fully an adult so perhaps 24 or 25 and you are still adamant you are trans then yes let them transistion

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:28

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:23

My experience of the Starbucks and Waterstone enclosed loos is that they're a lot bigger than cubicles.

I didn't realise there would be any issues with enclosed loos like you describe. I just want everyone to feel safe. If I was Queen for a Day, I would give women whatever toilets they wanted and make third spaces for TW. And if TW objected, then I would consider that an unreasonable position.

And how many businesses can have a huge line up of what are effectively all access rooms? Current rows of fully enclosed toilets are as narrow as the usual cubicles but now with a hand basin jammed in too.

You have shown on this thread that you really have not thought deeply about the consequences of allowing male people access to female spaces. Yet you were fucking quick to declare JK Rowling transphobic.

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 10:29

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:15

Oh, definitely not men who have self-ID'd without medication or surgery. Hell, no. They need to stay in the men's.

This is a quote from James Morton of Scottish Trans Alliance, a lobbying group which set policies for the Scottish Prison Service -

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

The GRR Bill Scotland Act aimed to implement self id in Scotland. Many organisations in Scotland (illegally) operate on the basis of self id.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 10:29

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:58

Why?

I guess there isn't a perfect solution. If you mean that enclosed types are not as safe because of emergencies, many places have just those types, like the aforementioned Starbucks and Waterstones.

And many places are dangerous because they prioritised privacy over safety.

This is the short version:

Why do we have a gap under public toilet doors? For health and safety
Why do we get rid of the gap when toilets are mixed sex? For privacy
What are we getting rid of by doing that? Health and Safety

I can give you the long version if you want. It has stats for how many people have medical emergencies, toilet assaults (rape) numbers etc. I can give you medical papers on why people have heart attacks whilst straining! Or why vapes are leading to seizures and pupils are vaping in toilets at school. Or how there’s at least one rape inside a school premises per school day. Or how new unisex toilet cubicles are never fully secure as they have to have a mechanism to open the door outwards to remove someone who can collapsed against the door.

The cafes aren’t alone in having dangerous designs. Some newer schools only have unisex toilet cubicles. The Department of Education say their toilets (even single sex ones!) are designed full height as standard for privacy. When pushed on where the safety assessments are, they said the department doesn’t hold them and quoted H&S regs from 1974.

We need to make toilets safer by design for everyone. The default should be single sex toilets with door gaps.

Nomoreidea · 04/05/2025 10:29

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:27

No, I'm not. I've said all along that I'm OK with sharing with TW who have transitioned. I've never said I'm OK sharing with men who self-ID - in fact, much earlier in this thread I said that I disagree with self-ID. But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

Men can get a GRC without surgery though, that's not a condition of having one. I think you're assuming there's two types of transwomen - full OP with a GRC and purely self-id-ing, and that's not the case.

DeffoNeedANameChange · 04/05/2025 10:29

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:23

My experience of the Starbucks and Waterstone enclosed loos is that they're a lot bigger than cubicles.

I didn't realise there would be any issues with enclosed loos like you describe. I just want everyone to feel safe. If I was Queen for a Day, I would give women whatever toilets they wanted and make third spaces for TW. And if TW objected, then I would consider that an unreasonable position.

So essentially, when the chips are down, you don't actually believe TWAW.

(I'll be honest, though - it took me longer than 12 hours on here to realise this! I was hoping for quite a long time that surely there was a kind, compassionate compromise to be had. But at the end of the day, whilst we might all have slightly different social lines in the sand as to what we are/are not comfortable with, the only position that makes any coherent sense in law is the one that the SC arrived at last month)

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 10:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:21

Not at my place yet.

That is interesting. Why not?
You’ve implied your ‘place’ (sorry unsure if you mean temple) is progressive and liberal, so why aren’t women allowed to be Rabbi’s there?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:30

HesSoBadHesGood · 04/05/2025 10:24

Oh, definitely not men who have self-ID'd without medication or surgery. Hell, no. They need to stay in the men's.

How can you tell the man still has a penis or not?

You can't, unless he's changing right next to you.

TimeForATerf · 04/05/2025 10:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:14

For me, it would be fine and I'd have no objection. But since not every woman feels that way, I think third spaces are the way to go, as their feelings are as valid as mine.

If I were trans and I had a third space, I'd use it happily, as I wouldn't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

You also said in your very first reply "I think that only trans people who have obtained GRCs should be allowed to use the women's loos and changing rooms, I also think it's awful to treat transpeople as if they don't exist. And that's what the UK Supreme Court ruling does. If someone who has fully transitioned can't use the women's loos and changing rooms, where are they meant to go?"

So which is it? "Why won't you think of the poor men" or "Third spaces are the way to go".

How will you know who has had the surgery and who hasn't? Who is taking hormones and who isn't? because you don't need to do either to get a GRC.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:31

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:27

No, I'm not. I've said all along that I'm OK with sharing with TW who have transitioned. I've never said I'm OK sharing with men who self-ID - in fact, much earlier in this thread I said that I disagree with self-ID. But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

You are now declaring who is and who isn’t transgender using your own set criteria.

But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

Because they are MALE people!

And you don’t seem to be able to deny that they are male and have never not been male people.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:31

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 10:30

That is interesting. Why not?
You’ve implied your ‘place’ (sorry unsure if you mean temple) is progressive and liberal, so why aren’t women allowed to be Rabbi’s there?

No one's wanted to yet.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:33

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:31

You are now declaring who is and who isn’t transgender using your own set criteria.

But the judgement says that even fully transitioned TW with a GRC can't go into female loos, and that's the part that I think is transphobic.

Because they are MALE people!

And you don’t seem to be able to deny that they are male and have never not been male people.

While a fully transitioned TW is obviously not a biological woman, I don't think she's the same as a regular man any more either.

Datun · 04/05/2025 10:34

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 10:12

When I worked in a public building, we had to climb over the top of the toilets ar least once a fortnight to help someone who had overdosed, or been taken unwell. Most times, the only reason we knew that someone was in trouble was because someone said to us 'there's someone lying on the floor'. It was hard enough to help them when we were able to see under and over the cubicle and could see where they were in relation to the door, let alone with floor to ceiling walls and doors.

Yeah, but none of that matters, women's safety, indeed everyone's safety can go to fucking hell in a handcart to validate a handful of men

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:35

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:33

While a fully transitioned TW is obviously not a biological woman, I don't think she's the same as a regular man any more either.

In what way is a male person who has lost their penis and testes and is on exogenous hormones for disease different to the male person who has chosen to do this to fit their philosophical belief?

Why should one of them have access to female single sex spaces and not the other?

Do you understand why I keep posting this question? Please detail EXACTLY how the person you have just declared is not a regular man, is not a regular man?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:35

TimeForATerf · 04/05/2025 10:30

You also said in your very first reply "I think that only trans people who have obtained GRCs should be allowed to use the women's loos and changing rooms, I also think it's awful to treat transpeople as if they don't exist. And that's what the UK Supreme Court ruling does. If someone who has fully transitioned can't use the women's loos and changing rooms, where are they meant to go?"

So which is it? "Why won't you think of the poor men" or "Third spaces are the way to go".

How will you know who has had the surgery and who hasn't? Who is taking hormones and who isn't? because you don't need to do either to get a GRC.

Well, it's immaterial how you can tell, because TW must use the loo of their birth sex. So I think third spaces are the way to go.

TimeForATerf · 04/05/2025 10:39

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 10:35

Well, it's immaterial how you can tell, because TW must use the loo of their birth sex. So I think third spaces are the way to go.

You mean you think that now, but at 23:56 yesterday you didn't.

Ramblingnamechanger · 04/05/2025 10:39

As always better than ever. JK can certainly put it all into such great words. Already I can sense a change.

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