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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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Datun · 04/05/2025 09:24

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:21

Not at my place yet.

But they can if they say they're men?

Did you see the sexism yet?

Only men can be rabbis. So if a woman wants to be a rabbi, she has to say she's a man

Nomoreidea · 04/05/2025 09:24

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 09:07

The differences in the way men and women live their lives are the outcome of the way society treats them differently.

To turn that round and say adopting the external symptoms of our sexist conditioning is equivalent to actually being a woman, to completely overlook the person inside and the journey she took through life which is how and why she is who she is, does what she does, is breathtakingly sexist.

The day she is born, a woman has the potential to be so many things, live in do many ways. The only thing that is really fixed is her sex. Yes, society may cut off many of those potential lives before she even considers them but that does not mean those potential hers are not just as much women as the ones society allows.

So when you say TW adopting the social.role of women deserve to be treated as women, I'm sorry but that really offends me. It's rubber stamping sexism and turning it from the prison of women into the truth of women and that is just awful, even if TW don't consciously realise that's what they are doing.

This is a great post, and a way of looking at it that resonates with me

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:24

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:17

How far should people’s entitlement to do whatever they choose stretch do you think?

Can you be more specific? Of course no one has the right to do whatever they want all the time.

NecessaryScene · 04/05/2025 09:25

I mean, if men and women can do both roles, just by saying some words out loud, what is the point of the roles? Why even have them?

This is like trying to drag someone into the 20th century, never mind the 21st...

I am getting an insight into the mindset of someone for whom genderism actually makes sense.

They've managed to figure out that forcing people into boxes is a bit mean, so why not let people change boxes?

Genderism is a belief that's within the Overton window - it's a "more progressive" thing they can understand. The idea of abolishing the boxes is too radical.

And utterly unable to grasp the fundamental distinction between female sports+prisons and "expected to bake bread and cover your hair".

(Pro tip - "gender critical" refers to us thinking that the boxes themselves are a bad idea. That's why we don't like genderism - saying you should be able to change box is saying you think the boxes should exist.)

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:27

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:21

Not at my place yet.

So we are back to cultural specificity. You’re underlining here that this ‘living as a woman’ doesn’t exist as any sort of universal concept. Whereas ‘being’ a woman, biologically female, does. Do you not see how ridiculous this is?

FirstandLastBorn · 04/05/2025 09:27

What a glorious thing to wake up to. JKR is our queen.

2021x · 04/05/2025 09:27

I have been reflected alot on this ruling. I remember when we were at school and learned about civil rights. There was a picture of one of the black kids going to school at Little Rock and all these white kids shouting (almost certainly racist lurs) at them. I remember thinking I don't want to be seen by history for being intolerant and one of these people.

I think, therefore one of the issues that noone is pushing back on are that most recent human rights movements are now so inclusive that they they remove all meaning and then there are no actual rights end up being protected because you can't legislate for anything.

Trans means different things to different people. A Transwoman who has done the therapy, and had the medication and gone through with gender reassignment surgery poses a significantly less risk to womenn in private spaces than a TG woman who has just had breast implants and nothing else. A transman who has done the gambit, will have very different needs from a confused transmasc teenager who isn't emotionally mature enough to deal with the stares from creepy old me when their breasts develop.

The same is happening with to the people with neuro-atypical diagnosis i.e. Autism, Torrets and ADHD. They are now having to share their space with people who are "Neuro-divserse" which doesn't have any specific meaning and is often self-diagnosed. They have wildly different needs and expectations of how they can participate in society, and this just sets back the advances made by disability acts.

We know the most recent iteration of trans rights is actually mens rights in disguise because of the way they have been bullying women. We know some of this has been straight men who are just creeps, but alot of it has been gay men who have been out of work since marriage equality passed (looking at you Tatchell). Thats why the message has always been confusing. The people who it actually effects i.e. Trans Women and Trans men are rarely heard.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:27

Nomoreidea · 04/05/2025 09:24

This is a great post, and a way of looking at it that resonates with me

Oh sure, it's all social conditioning. But I'm talking about working within the society we actually have, not the one we wish we had. And the fact is, that due to our social conditioning, a TW will probably feel much freer to indulge in wearing makeup if she wants as a TW than she would have done as a regular man. Myself, I don't see why regular men can't wear makeup. There's no reason why they can't, except social conditioning. In fact, I think a of them would benefit from some good base and concealer, and a bit of mascara and blush. My ex was interviewed on TV once and he came on with this MAC base on, and he looked so much younger! Skin all even and glowy. I absolutely think that regular men should be able to wear makeup just the same as women, if they want to.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 09:29

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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Do you have your bridle with you, armed and ready? Using words like ‘extremist’ for someone purely stating biological facts and how they relate to the material reality of women and girls isn’t the scold you think it is.

Men often call women who stand up to them and say no to them ‘hateful’, it makes them VERY angry when a woman who is as successful, intelligent and articulate as JKR firmly and factually dismantles their misogynistic agenda.

But you carry on doing their dirty work for them, do the ‘pick me dance’, whilst the rest of us carry on calling this bullshit out in whatever way we can, and then you can silently reap the rewards that other women have fought for you to have.

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:29

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:24

But they can if they say they're men?

Did you see the sexism yet?

Only men can be rabbis. So if a woman wants to be a rabbi, she has to say she's a man

Edited

And if a person is a rabbi they are engaged in an activity that says they are ‘living as a man’ because only men can do it, unless they move to a culture where women can be rabbis then they aren’t. Or something. It’s all very confusing.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:24

Can you be more specific? Of course no one has the right to do whatever they want all the time.

Here, try these that I posted a page ago?

Can you understand that if they are not the sex they have 'chosen' to be, then there needs to be limits to what those people do as that sex they have 'chosen' to be?

Sport?
Prison?
Changing rooms?
Any single sex facility were female people expect to only be with female people?
Female only roles for either intimate procedures or to ensure female people have their needs considered in a representation role?

Do you understand that a male person accessing these provisions makes them mixed sex in reality?

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:24

Can you be more specific? Of course no one has the right to do whatever they want all the time.

But a man can ‘live as a woman’ all the time. They’re entitled to do that? Regardless of the impact on others?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 09:32

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 09:00

Does she ? I didn't actually know this.. how odd she then supports the Israeli government in killing all the women and children in gaza. How strange? P.s you can do goods things and still be a c£=t so don't come at me with a list. She's clearly half and half in her character .

Citations please for her supporting the Israeli government, and not your opinion, but actual, verifiable facts that she supports it, you know like words out of her own mouth?

SingtotheCat · 04/05/2025 09:32

The Supreme Court and JKR have spoken. The law is the law.
I’d like us to appropriate Stonewall’s “NO DEBATE” right about now. It would make a good sticker in the right colours.

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:32

The idea of abolishing the boxes is too radical

Totally. Hence feminists being the first people to spot this long before it was on anyone else's radar. I'm guessing these women's sense of sexism was so razor sharp, they could spot it approaching from space.

And, of course, once you've seen it, it cannot be unseen. If you want to change gender roles, you must swap boxes. The boxes must remain.

But, of course, the ultimate irony is, that these men aren't swapping boxes at all. They're just putting a ribbon round their own box.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:33

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:30

Here, try these that I posted a page ago?

Can you understand that if they are not the sex they have 'chosen' to be, then there needs to be limits to what those people do as that sex they have 'chosen' to be?

Sport?
Prison?
Changing rooms?
Any single sex facility were female people expect to only be with female people?
Female only roles for either intimate procedures or to ensure female people have their needs considered in a representation role?

Do you understand that a male person accessing these provisions makes them mixed sex in reality?

I said a few pages back that I think third spaces are the most reasonable solution.

pinkingshears · 04/05/2025 09:34

Thank God (ess) for JKR.

@RipleyJones thank you for that excellent shot of the cat (& side info)

Lavender2015 · 04/05/2025 09:34

ThatNimblePeer · 03/05/2025 22:28

So do you have any actual examples of TRAs inflicting brutal torture and violence on gender critical people? I know about deplatforming and hounding people out of their jobs, and I know the horrible rhetoric about throat punching TERFs - I’m not defending any of that. But do you have any examples of actual torture and actual violence? In any systematic way? Because if not, then I think JKR’s letting herself down with the comparison to medieval Catholicism. Don’t pose as the bastion of common sense and then say something completely over the top.

I think she was drawing an analogy to highlight how fear of consequences—then and now—serves to suppress free thought.

In the past, dissent was met with torture, burning at the stake, or beheading. Today, it’s the loss of livelihood, social ostracism, and threats of violence, including rape.

The comparison underscores that while the methods have changed, the outcome is the same: fear keeps people in line.

It’s a powerful analogy, and I think anyone capable of understanding nuance would see its value.

itcouldhavebeenme · 04/05/2025 09:35

What an amazing piece of writing. Gets to the core of it and, absolutely, there is a very strong whiff of the inquisition in all of this.

Being successful, well-known and enormously wealthy has given her the platform to be able to take a strong stance without (financial) repercussions that might threaten her livelihood.

However, most people in her situation would never in a million years have done what she has i.e. shouting the truth from the rooftops. She's a modern day hero - bravo!

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:35

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:30

But a man can ‘live as a woman’ all the time. They’re entitled to do that? Regardless of the impact on others?

I think third spaces are the answer.

But if TW wanted to go round dressing in skirts and makeup, because she happens to like that, that's fine because she wouldn't be having an impact on anyone else.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:36

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:33

I said a few pages back that I think third spaces are the most reasonable solution.

By your own logic they’re not going to be living as women then, are they.

Mintine · 04/05/2025 09:36

queenofthesuburbs · 04/05/2025 00:26

The sad thing is that we all agreed with her back in 2020, but I for one certainly would never have said so in public, for fear of losing my job or being cancelled/branded transphobic.

I wonder if she feels bitter that she didn't get the support she deserved at the time, or do you think she understands the (absolutely disgraceful) predicament we were under?

Yes you’re right , I would have been too frightened to agree which is really sad for us women I bloody love JK Rowling, she’s phenomenal.

DeffoNeedANameChange · 04/05/2025 09:37

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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I used to feel this same way. Essentially "don't push your luck". But I've come to a point where the truth matters more.

A lot of these things don't need to be said out loud in every day conversation, especially if the main purpose is to upset the person you're speaking to. I do A LOT more smiling and shrugging than confrontation. But when push comes to shove, it's all true.

And the context here isn't a malevolent shit-stirrer whipping her baying crowd into a hateful frenzy. It's a woman who has received enough death threats to paper her house, just for believing the truth. I absolutely support her right to say these things out loud.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:36

By your own logic they’re not going to be living as women then, are they.

Not in terms of the spaces they inhabit, no.

I wouldn't mind sharing with fully transitioned women, but I appreciate not every woman feels that way, so third spaces seem to be best compromise.

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:37

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:35

I think third spaces are the answer.

But if TW wanted to go round dressing in skirts and makeup, because she happens to like that, that's fine because she wouldn't be having an impact on anyone else.

Lots of women don’t wear skirts and make up, are they ‘living as men’?

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