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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:07

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 08:57

Do the men have to cover their hair in the temple too?

Yes, with kippahs or yarmulkes, and sometimes two, which is considered better than one. Some Jewish men wear hats all the time, because of the divine presence above their heads, and it can be any hat, such as a baseball cap. Some Jewish men won't walk more than four cubits (about 6.5 feet) without a head covering. Judaism is quite big on head coverings overall.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 09:07

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 07:28

I'm not going to explain, because I believe you are aware of the differences in the ways men and women live their lives. I'm not going to write an essay teaching you the obvious.

The differences in the way men and women live their lives are the outcome of the way society treats them differently.

To turn that round and say adopting the external symptoms of our sexist conditioning is equivalent to actually being a woman, to completely overlook the person inside and the journey she took through life which is how and why she is who she is, does what she does, is breathtakingly sexist.

The day she is born, a woman has the potential to be so many things, live in do many ways. The only thing that is really fixed is her sex. Yes, society may cut off many of those potential lives before she even considers them but that does not mean those potential hers are not just as much women as the ones society allows.

So when you say TW adopting the social.role of women deserve to be treated as women, I'm sorry but that really offends me. It's rubber stamping sexism and turning it from the prison of women into the truth of women and that is just awful, even if TW don't consciously realise that's what they are doing.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/05/2025 09:08

Bluebootsgreenboots · 04/05/2025 08:36

So what is the solution for someone like me whose child is absolutely certain that they are the gender opposite to that on their birth certificate? Sdo I just ignore their feelings? Treat them like they are mentally ill? Tell them they are just falling for some 'myth'? While my child threatens to self harm if they are forced to carry on in the gender that feels completely wrong to them? I simply don't know what to think, and JKR and these extreme anti-trans people make me frantic with worry for my child.
It would be good, instead of ranting against trans people and their supporters, if JKR and her ilk could offer some real solutions.

@McLennonK
As someone in a similar situ, I find her post very helpful. Trying to get a distressed, unstable person to be realistic about the impact of their life choices is hard enough without the background shouting of all the virtue signalling cheerleaders in the media saying TWAW, which we all know, is a lie.
I have many lovely friends posting ‘be kind’ memes all over Facebook. That just makes me stand out as the baddie for trying to get my child to realise that if they continue the course of action that they’re fixed on, they will likely be infertile and have limited sexual function.
I am happy to support my child with their choices, but they need to be realistic about what those choices entail, and that’s impossible when all these celebrities, CEOs, writers, academics and NHS bosses are using my child to tell the world how kind and progressive they are.

Thank you for saying this and I do hope you can find a way through this difficult time. Flowers

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:10

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 08:55

Good lord, of course delusional people can hold down jobs!

For example, there is a very common delusion among men that women are lesser than men. Many men believe women need to show respect to men. Some men believe this so strongly that some of them go on to murder their wives or girlfriends because they don't feel their wife or girlfriend is giving them what they deserve.

Of course none of that is real. Usually in reality the wife or girlfriend has bent herself out of shape for years trying to make that man happy, desperately hoping she will get it right this time and he'll stop hurting her.

Would you say such men are delusional? I would. And yet they hold down jobs, are "pillars of society", none saw it coming, such a nice man....

Edited

I would say that sexism is a belief system, not a delusion. It's a belief that women are lesser than men, which leads to a whole system based on that belief - patriarchy.

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:10

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:06

No it’s not obvious. There appears to be a very circular ‘explanation’. “This is a woman because it lives like a woman. This is a man because it lives like a man”. Is that what you’re saying? That you only know which are the women through things like which side of the temple they sit and whether they make the bread. If it wasn’t for that you’d be totally stumped?

Except, and now it's making my head spin, if both men and women can do both roles, there are no specific male or female roles. It's all just lip service.

I wonder why, what reason it serves?

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 09:11

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:07

Yes, with kippahs or yarmulkes, and sometimes two, which is considered better than one. Some Jewish men wear hats all the time, because of the divine presence above their heads, and it can be any hat, such as a baseball cap. Some Jewish men won't walk more than four cubits (about 6.5 feet) without a head covering. Judaism is quite big on head coverings overall.

Thank you.
And what is the reason that woman have to cover their hair (in the temple)?
And what is the reason that men have to wear a kippah (or other hat)?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:13

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:00

That's very interesting.

I wonder what would happen if suddenly hordes of women identified as men. And it became a lot less hypothetical.

Yes, I wonder.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:13

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:10

Except, and now it's making my head spin, if both men and women can do both roles, there are no specific male or female roles. It's all just lip service.

I wonder why, what reason it serves?

Quite.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:13

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 09:11

Thank you.
And what is the reason that woman have to cover their hair (in the temple)?
And what is the reason that men have to wear a kippah (or other hat)?

Same - as a sign of respect to the divine presence above their heads.

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:14

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:10

I would say that sexism is a belief system, not a delusion. It's a belief that women are lesser than men, which leads to a whole system based on that belief - patriarchy.

That's the definition of delusion. Believing things that aren't true

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:15

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 09:07

The differences in the way men and women live their lives are the outcome of the way society treats them differently.

To turn that round and say adopting the external symptoms of our sexist conditioning is equivalent to actually being a woman, to completely overlook the person inside and the journey she took through life which is how and why she is who she is, does what she does, is breathtakingly sexist.

The day she is born, a woman has the potential to be so many things, live in do many ways. The only thing that is really fixed is her sex. Yes, society may cut off many of those potential lives before she even considers them but that does not mean those potential hers are not just as much women as the ones society allows.

So when you say TW adopting the social.role of women deserve to be treated as women, I'm sorry but that really offends me. It's rubber stamping sexism and turning it from the prison of women into the truth of women and that is just awful, even if TW don't consciously realise that's what they are doing.

I'm not seeing the sexism. I just think that trans people are entitled to live as the sex they've chosen.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:17

You can’t choose your sex. So no.

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:17

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:15

I'm not seeing the sexism. I just think that trans people are entitled to live as the sex they've chosen.

How far should people’s entitlement to do whatever they choose stretch do you think?

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:17

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:13

Yes, I wonder.

I mean, if men and women can do both roles, just by saying some words out loud, what is the point of the roles? Why even have them?

I suspect that whilst it's only one or two people, mostly men, it's fine.

Maybe we'll have to wait and see

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:17

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:10

Except, and now it's making my head spin, if both men and women can do both roles, there are no specific male or female roles. It's all just lip service.

I wonder why, what reason it serves?

I suspect it is rooted in tradition and some people paper over the sex discrimination aspect.

The very fact that only male people can teach swimming yet female people provide food begs the question of what value is placed on each sex role. And that male people receive more religious training as standard.

But I also suspect that we would simply continue with cycling around and around and get no where. Because we are dealing with faith here. And that is not a discussion that will always defy logic.

Nomoreidea · 04/05/2025 09:18

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:15

I'm not seeing the sexism. I just think that trans people are entitled to live as the sex they've chosen.

How is it possible to choose a sex (which it isn't of course) but not a race? Or an age?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:18

Exactly, @Helleofabore gender identity ideology is a quasi religious belief, not a rational one.

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:18

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:15

I'm not seeing the sexism. I just think that trans people are entitled to live as the sex they've chosen.

Well try it. Make a list, specific to this country.

Take a look at any man who identify as women, and describe what it is they're doing. Then ask yourself if it's sexist.

Annoyedone · 04/05/2025 09:19

@StuckUpPrincess even if that negatively impacts women? Why? Why is the want of a man to embody sexist stereotypes of womanhood more important than the needs of women to single sex spaces? Would you say a transman should be put in a male prison? If not why not?

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:21

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:17

I suspect it is rooted in tradition and some people paper over the sex discrimination aspect.

The very fact that only male people can teach swimming yet female people provide food begs the question of what value is placed on each sex role. And that male people receive more religious training as standard.

But I also suspect that we would simply continue with cycling around and around and get no where. Because we are dealing with faith here. And that is not a discussion that will always defy logic.

Yes, I agree. I also doubt very much that historically sex segregated religions are suddenly going to be turned on their head with a spot of wholesale role reversal.

I've never yet seen trans ideology benefit women one iota. I doubt religion is going to be the catalyst

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:21

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:00

Women can become rabbis

Not at my place yet.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:21

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:15

I'm not seeing the sexism. I just think that trans people are entitled to live as the sex they've chosen.

Can you understand that if they are not the sex they have 'chosen' to be, then there needs to be limits to what those people do as that sex they have 'chosen' to be?

Sport?
Prison?
Changing rooms?
Any single sex facility were female people expect to only be with female people?
Female only roles for either intimate procedures or to ensure female people have their needs considered in a representation role?

Do you understand that a male person accessing these provisions makes them mixed sex in reality?

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 09:22

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 09:21

Not at my place yet.

And can a man marry a man? Can a transwoman marry a man?

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:23

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:21

Yes, I agree. I also doubt very much that historically sex segregated religions are suddenly going to be turned on their head with a spot of wholesale role reversal.

I've never yet seen trans ideology benefit women one iota. I doubt religion is going to be the catalyst

Yes.

EmpressoftheMundane · 04/05/2025 09:24

Wow! What a woman. So grateful to JKR. So much courage and intelligence.

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