Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

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Hoping this passes, it shouldn't be possible to change your sex (a biological impossibility) on legal documents. This would prevent men using this loop hole to erase their past identities and stop male crimes being recorded as female crimes.

So everyone will have their real sex recorded, but only people with a GRC have a gender to record (alongside their real sex) what is not to like?

Right to privacy and Goodwin?

This would be far too reasonable and sensible.

Oh God. I can hear the howls of the TRAs already.

Why should Acquired Gender be recorded as male or female? It is neither.

For that matter, why should Acquired Gender be restricted to male or female? Nonbinary or catgender are as honest and truthful as legal-fiction-male and legal-fiction-female.

But, otherwise, yes, actual sex only, plus personal beliefs if relevant.

What true background to this?

Sex Matters did a massive lobbying campaign to ensure the data bill recognised Sex not gender

https://sex-matters.org/campaigns/digital-id-cant-be-gender-self-id/

Talked to MPs, Lords, explained why it mattered etc etc. Got a letter writing campaign going. The disaster of the census and so on. Looks like it paid off.
Also suspect influence from sex realists inside Labour.

Sensible move by Labour. If they hadn't done this that was an easy target from Reform and the Tories.

MistyGreenAndBlue · Today 01:14

Oh God. I can hear the howls of the TRAs already.

If you lined them up in ascending order of pitch of voice, then showed them the order one at a time, it would be like a gigantic human piano.

This isn’t a Labour Amendment. Dr Ben Spencer is a Conservative. As such it is extremely unlikely to pass. Unless the government adopts it which they occasionally do by producing their own which is broadly similar.

This will be interesting because the bill was drafted (I think) pre the Supreme Court ruling.

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

@TruthInTransition

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience

No it isn’t. How insulting.

The word ‘woman’ refers to an adult human female. It is a shared reality.

You don’t get to take our words and twist them to mean whatever you want anymore.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women.

Perhaps you could tell them to stop threatening women with rape, stop threatening women with death, stop battering them, blacking their eyes, pouring soup over them, getting them fired, screaming at them, kettling them, recommending they die in a fire, doxxing them and getting them arrested. Oh, and using their toilets as a porn genre.

And while you're at it, perhaps you could advise them to stop pissing all over London and defacing women's statues.

Just a suggestion.

We are not asking for special treatment

What is the right to alter your birth certificate if not special treatment?

Woman - this word is not yours. It’s ours, and we’re keeping it.

Your definition of “woman” may be based on a narrow, biological framework—but womanhood, like all human identity, is far more nuanced than anatomy.

You claim the word “woman” refers only to “adult human females,” as if that ends the conversation. But definitions evolve with society. Language is not static—it reflects how we understand people, experiences, and humanity. Once, “marriage” only meant a union between a man and a woman. Once, “voter” excluded women entirely. Should we have stopped evolving then too?

Trans women are not “twisting” words—we are living our truths. Recognizing trans women as women doesn’t erase or override anyone else’s identity. It expands our understanding of womanhood to include the diverse ways it is lived and experienced. That is not an insult—it is progress.

You say it’s “insulting” for trans women to be included in womanhood. But what’s truly insulting is the suggestion that trans women don’t deserve dignity, don’t deserve recognition, don’t deserve safety—because we don’t fit your personal criteria. That’s not about facts. That’s about fear.

The reality is this: trans women exist. We live as women, we are treated as women by society, and we face the same misogyny, threats, and discrimination—often compounded by our trans identity.

What you’re advocating isn’t about preserving language—it’s about exclusion. And exclusion, under the guise of “shared reality,” has always been a tool of oppression. It was used to keep Black people out of schools. To keep women out of voting booths. And now, it’s being used to keep trans women from being seen, heard, and safe.

You don’t get to decide who is or isn’t valid ANYMORE! based on your discomfort. Your beliefs do not override our existence.

Trans women are not erasing anyone. We are not stealing anything. We are demanding to live, fully and authentically, in a world that has tried again and again to deny us that right.

So no—we’re not twisting words. We’re speaking truth. And if that truth threatens your worldview, maybe it’s your worldview that needs to change.

@TruthInTransition If you were born male then you are male now. It's not "discriminatory" to state a fact. How about if I said "Biological males deciding they want to invade female-only spaces is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity." ? Is that a good argument?

Aside from the fact that I’d bet ChatGPT wrote this, where is your compassion and consideration for women?

“To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory”

Women have needs separate to men. Regardless of your gender identity, your presence in women-only provision destroys the women-only bit precisely because you are a man. Not only do you want to eliminate women-only services and spaces - our sex based rights - you want us to be able to stop being able to even name the problem by forbidding us from calling you men. That’s an awful lot to take from women to benefit men, and if you cannot even acknowledge there is an issue, you are just colonisers and not contributing to “A just society […] that listens, learns, and evolves”

so go on then @TruthInTransition what is a woman? If a woman is not an adult human female,what is the thing that makes a woman a woman? I men, if you remove biology from the equation, you’re relying on outdated sexist stereotypes and misogynistic men claiming they know what a woman is because of feelings aren’t you?

Thanks for your insight @TruthInTransition . However, a few pointers - there’s no such thing as a ‘cis’ woman. There are women - adult human females, and men - adult human males. Some of those males and females will be gender non-conforming and want to be seen as the opposite sex. They are still, and always be male or female as sex is immutable. Similarly, there is no need for the term ‘birth sex’ for the same reason. Ones sex never changes.
When the % of sex offenders currently held in the prison estate has such a high number of men who identify as women compared to sex offenders who don’t, then it’s only right to be questioning as to their motivations. Sex offenders will use any avenue possible to access their victims, including self ID.
Your argument that having to put one’s ’birth Sex’ on legal documents will ‘out’ people is laughable. Firstly, why should ones sex be hidden like some dirty little secret? After all, we almost always clock someone who’s presenting as if they were the opposite sex. And if we don’t, if someone ‘passes’, that’s ok. We should be able to get to a point where a man can openly say ‘I’m male but prefer to ascribe to female gender stereotypes’. We no longer expect gay people to ‘stay in the closet’, so why should we accept gender non conforming people to do so? What are they hiding exactly?
You say and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity however, a male who identifies as a woman isn’t a woman, and in reality every human navigates life through a lens shaped by society, by gender regardless as to their sex.

Language evolves naturally. What you all attempted to do was to coerce, bully and force language change that goes against everyone's natural instincts.

No man can experience womanhood.

You don’t get to decide who is or isn’t valid ANYMORE!

If by valid do you mean the opposite sex, i'm afraid the Supreme Court disagree with you. Transwomen are men. Biologically and legally, and must stay out of spaces designated for women.

If you don't like it, take it up with Stonewall first, and then have a word with all the transwomen who tried to pretend lesbians can be men.

The Supreme Court took a very dim view of men trying to erase homosexuality.

Once, “marriage” only meant a union between a man and a woman. Once, “voter” excluded women entirely. Should we have stopped evolving then too
Marriage and voting are legal processes - nothing to do with evolution. Sex, however, is a biological process that humans cannot change. We’ll stick with the word woman and the definition ‘adult human female’ thanks very much.

Is there a script? I’m sure I’ve seen a rant like this lately on another thread. It’s a bit sad when the ploppers can’t even come up with original posts. @TruthInTransition you can do better I’m sure.

Men can't become women @TruthInTransition and no, men shouldn't have access to women's single sex spaces and services.

Thats the bottom line. Everything else is just lies, noise, emotional manipulation, tantrums. We're done with all that, understood?

The reality is this: trans women exist. We live as women, we are treated as women by society, and we face the same misogyny, threats, and discrimination—often compounded by our trans identity.
What you’re advocating isn’t about preserving language—it’s about exclusion. And exclusion, under the guise of “shared reality,” has always been a tool of oppression. It was used to keep Black people out of schools. To keep women out of voting booths. And now, it’s being used to keep trans women from being seen, heard, and safe.
You don’t get to decide who is or isn’t valid ANYMORE! based on your discomfort. Your beliefs do not override our existence
Your victimhood alongside a smattering of misogyny is shining through now. We see you, we hear you, we know you exist. But you’re not women, no matter how loud you shout.

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