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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

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bluegoldflow · 02/05/2025 22:07

Hoping this passes, it shouldn't be possible to change your sex (a biological impossibility) on legal documents. This would prevent men using this loop hole to erase their past identities and stop male crimes being recorded as female crimes.

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SunnieShine · 05/05/2025 08:04

TheKeatingFive · 05/05/2025 07:48

Men can't become women @TruthInTransition and no, men shouldn't have access to women's single sex spaces and services.

Thats the bottom line. Everything else is just lies, noise, emotional manipulation, tantrums. We're done with all that, understood?

And done with manplaining.

Proudtobeanortherner · 05/05/2025 08:05

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

I’m sorry; I am really confused. What is a CIS woman?

Datun · 05/05/2025 08:05

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JellySaurus · 05/05/2025 08:06

Oh dear, you don't want to be 'outed' as your actual sex at the doctor? You don't want to get the correct treatment to have the best outcomes?

It's like debating with a pigeon.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/05/2025 08:07

SinnerBoy · 03/05/2025 04:57

MistyGreenAndBlue · Today 01:14

Oh God. I can hear the howls of the TRAs already.

If you lined them up in ascending order of pitch of voice, then showed them the order one at a time, it would be like a gigantic human piano.

That mental picture just made me genuinely lol, nearly waking up DP next to me.

Datun · 05/05/2025 08:07

Proudtobeanortherner · 05/05/2025 08:05

I’m sorry; I am really confused. What is a CIS woman?

A cis woman is what transactivists like to call women. As in transwomen and cis women.

It's the pretence that there are two kinds of women.

Soontobe60 · 05/05/2025 08:08

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:59

I've made my points, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions and perspectives, this moment marks our stand. I’ve said what I needed to say — consider it food for thought. We’re not going anywhere.

As much as I enjoy these conversations, it's time for me to shift focus and continue living my life. But make no mistake — this is only the beginning. I’ll be back, stronger than ever, to keep fighting for the rights of all trans women.

Until then, I look forward to all your replies, unfortunately I don't have time to respond to everyone but I do appreciate the you all for taking to respond, thank you 😊

Typical bloke coming up with a sinisterly threatening post eh?

aspidernamedfluffy · 05/05/2025 08:09

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals

You're absolutely right @TruthInTransition, now explain why Trans"women" refuse to use the men's toilets/changing rooms/mixed sex pools on the grounds that they "don't feel safe". Aren't they judging "an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals"?

Igneococcus · 05/05/2025 08:13

Your definition of “woman” may be based on a narrow, biological framework—but womanhood, like all human identity, is far more nuanced than anatomy.

The definition of woman based on biology is the widest possible definition of woman because it requires the smallest common denominator. If you have the sort of body that evolved around making large gametes then you are a woman (or girl), absolutely nothing else matters. Not your dress preferences, length of hair, colour of skin, height, weight, sexuality, if you birthed children or not, what you do for a living, do whatever you like, if you have the sort of body that has evolved to make eggs you are a woman. If you have the sort of body that makes sperm, then you aren't.
And the term womanhood can just fuck off to where it suddenly came from.

notwavingbutsinking · 05/05/2025 08:13

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

What a load of tosh.

What you are describing is literally how safeguarding works. All men are disallowed from female safe spaces because some men present a danger to women. No one is accusing each and every individual man as being a would-be rapist.

Explain to me how transwomen are an exception this principle.

fromorbit · 05/05/2025 08:17

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

I know a bunch of "trans" people. Some are harmless others are not.

They are just people. We are in fact judging the community in the same way as we judge everyone else.

The key thing is you are blaming pro-women advocates for issues that the modern "trans" community caused to itself.

The "trans" community is currently this:

Male Transsexuals
Male Transvestites the biggest part
Male Transvestite athletes who are obsessed with sports like most men, but are too bad at sport to win against other men. Actual male transexuals run a mile to get away from sports.
Female transsexuals a huge surge of these in last 10 years. Why ? why now why not in the 80s and 90s? Maybe because male/female psychology is very very different.
Random sex/violent criminals who just say they are trans when they get arrested, but often stick around when they realise how safe the community is for the next category.
Various predators who prey on others inside the community sexually.
Enbies/genderfluid types
People trapped in the sex industry being exploited and hurt
political hobbyists looking for a cause
Grifters who see it as a revenue stream
Misogynists who love insulting and threatening women, but also who can enjoy being humiliated by them.
Drag queens for some absurd reason now

The biggest problem here is not the original transsexuals. However they have lost all legitimacy as a group because loads of them went along with the rebranding as trans as a community for anyone socially maladjusted or for criminals.

Women didn't tell the transsexuals to allow this. In fact loads of "sensible" transsexuals abandoned the trans community as soon as this stuff took over.

It would have probably been possible to let a small number of transsexuals who had full surgery live as women in fact that was happening for years.

Only you guys decided you didn't want that. You couldn't just be a tolerated minority relying on female compassion for weak unhappy males which is what you were. You wanted a much bigger community with a lot of randoms in it and you wanted to be acknowledged as superior to actual women.

You wanted male transvestites to win women's sports, you wanted criminal men in women's prison. You wanted to win beauty contests. You wanted the trans community to include a bunch of people with tattoos and multi coloured hair, who instead of listening to music and going to gigs, to spend time lecturing other people about their cis/white privilege including hilariously older transsexuals.

You expected society to take this seriously forever and went mental when women said it was insane. Now you lost in the UK and you are going to lose everywhere else as well.

You have a choice being defeated by lefty women or being crushed by the populist right who really really hate you.

TangenitalContrivance · 05/05/2025 08:18

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

ironically with your name @TruthInTransition - this is a very obvious chatGPT post.

MALES are a threat to FEMALES

ANYONE lying and saying they are FEMALE when they are MALE should not be facilitated in that LIE by the STATE.

GoBackToTheStart · 05/05/2025 08:24

Soontobe60 · 05/05/2025 07:50

It’s TWAW bingo bank holiday!

“We exist”, “We are valid”, “Live authentically”, “we are not a threat”… it’s like a box of naff, nonsensical affirmations that have been repeated so much into a mirror the TRAs think they actually mean something other than the word salad they are.

UpsideDownChairs · 05/05/2025 08:25

It's deeply unfair

As I tell my kids, life isn't fair.

We say no.

We say women are adult human females and it's insulting to suggest that it needs to be anything other than that so that men can claim it too.

AngelinaFibres · 05/05/2025 08:28

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

You are not and will never be a woman. You are a man who wishes to wear the costume of a woman. All men are a potential threat to women.

Helleofabore · 05/05/2025 08:29

Reader's Note :

Broad safeguarding policy is indeed created using 'blanket' approaches to whole groups. Male people. And not only that but extreme transgender rights activists ARE seeking special treatment. They are demanding to have additional privileges that other people don't have.

The UK has provisions that mean that organisations and people can legitimately discriminate against a group of people based on a protected characteristic needing to be protected. ie Sex discrimination is separated into legitimate vs illegitimate discrimination.

Through the falsehood that somehow a male person with a belief that they are female, extreme activists sought to by pass the legitimate discrimination clauses that allowed female people to have single sex provisions (ie. spaces, opportunities including sport). Remember, being a 'female person' when you are a male person is only a belief, sincerely held or not. There is nothing about that belief that is based in material reality.

Illegitimate discrimination is still protected against in the EA as was mentioned in the judgement. This means that a transgender person should not be prevented from employment, housing, etc because they are transgender. The activist groups over reached and told organisations and individuals that this also included not being able to have single sex provisions if someone had or planned to get a legal certificate that was a legal fiction about their sex.

Some people think any discrimination is bad. But it is the very basis of safeguarding principles that are used to protect people in the UK. It can be argued that it is, in fact, discriminatory that one group of male people get special treatment in getting access to female sex based provisions. This is where it needs to be recognised that there has been additional privileges created for this group.

For instance, the human right for accessing a safe toilet should be based on 'what society views as reasonable'. Society understands that absolutely no spaces are 100% safe.

This is another fallacious argument that we see. The tactic goes 'because you cannot be 100% safe if this law is enacted, why bother? Bad people will still do bad things.' It is just bonkers when you start to unpick that, and again, what law is ever expected to deliver 100% safety? None. But still we see it rolled out.

So, the human right is that everyone should have access to a safe toilet.

And society has to balance out how to do this. They can only get the safety up to a reasonable level. This might shock some people. But it is considered acceptable risk that people of the same sex as the sex that the space is for, use that space.

No male person has a human right to expect privacy and dignity from other male people in a single sex space for instance. The category that is considered for those human rights decisions, is the sex category, is that they are male.
This is based on male strength and power, unique male needs, and male patterns of criminality.

Conversely, it is considered reasonable effort to put female people in with other female people. We shouldn't expect privacy from other female people in those spaces and there is considered acceptable risk that an average female person will be able to defend themselves from and / or run away from other female people.

When people start to claim that it is a human rights issue, they don't seem to understand the basis of the human rights they are claiming. And they are attempting to leverage a sub group of male people into the female sex based category. Because to them, personally and probably ideologically, it is 'kind' and 'respectful'.

Remember, those male people are only female based on their 'belief' which they believe is how a female person feels. Evidence shows that hormones and surgery do not change male patterns of criminality. A male person who has lost their penis due to disease or injury is just as male as one who has opted to have their penis removed due to their belief.

It seems to be all based on this misinformation that somehow this group should be given additional privileges above everyone else because of their belief?
And what other belief in UK society gets this special treatment- to bypass their body's category to get access to provisions that they should not be accessing when the category is vital for the needs within that category? Age? Disability? Is there any?

Therefore, a group of male people want to have:

Access to their single sex space
Access to unisex spaces
Access to the opposite sex space.

So, not only access to their single sex spaces, which we know other male people with transgender identities use without issues, but they get additional privileges of access to female single sex spaces and also they can use mixed sex 'gender neutral' spaces as well.

This means this expectation to use female single sex spaces is a privilege that requires female people to accept higher risk than male people. Because, remember there is no evidence that these male people, at any stage of transition, have any lower risk of committing male pattern crime than any other male in the UK.

Why should any group of male prisoners have access to the female prison estate? No other vulnerable male prisoners get that privilege. They are housed in the vulnerable male section at a male prison.

And why should any male person be given a role that should be for female people to progress female people (ie a woman's officer in the university's student union) when that male person has no fucking idea what it actually means to be a female person at that university. Just labelling themselves as a female student is not actually being a female student.

This is why we see the discussions repeating the extreme activist soundbites because those soundbites appeal to people's wish to be kind, to be righteous and to their lack of understanding about what makes a person transgender.
Those soundbites about 'only a few' are false when you consider the negative impact one male person can have on many female people.

And this is why discussion about 'genuine' transgender people is one we also see very regularly. But the real question should be, why do this group of male people get additional privileges that no one else gets?

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Needapadlockonmyfridge · 05/05/2025 08:33

@TruthInTransition what a load of bollocks.

(Literally).

Annoyedone · 05/05/2025 08:36

There’s one thing that confuses me about all this. Maybe a wiser person can help.
TW claim to be women
women are told to be kind, budge up and shut up by TRA when they ask for their needs and wishes to be considered
TW demand access to women’s spaces as they are women
if TW were seriously considered to be women, surely they’d be told to be kind, shut up and budge up when they demand “their rights”
Im starting to think no one sees TW as women, not even their allies, as the difference in treatment is so stark. Am I getting this wrong?

Waitwhat23 · 05/05/2025 08:37

Annoyedone · 05/05/2025 07:47

Is there a script? I’m sure I’ve seen a rant like this lately on another thread. It’s a bit sad when the ploppers can’t even come up with original posts. @TruthInTransition you can do better I’m sure.

100% there's a script kicking about on Reddit or somewhere. You could go through posts like that with a tick box list, ticking off each of the ridiculous points in turn.

Ridiculous hyperbole - tick
Mention of cis - tick
'Have you ever met a transwoman?!' - tick
'Gatekeeping' of the word woman - tick
'Woman are just as bad' - tick
'Repent and you might be forgiven' - tick
'I'll leave you all to think about that' - tick

It's just white noise now. Tantruming by grown men told no for the first time. Cope, dude.

BingoWindow · 05/05/2025 08:37

@fromorbit I'm not quite sure where my brother fits on your list, not sure I want to know the full details. He came out as 'trans' publically to family a few years ago.
He was lazy and entitled as a kid. Arrogant and underachieving as an adult. A lot of sexist banter and wasn't at all supportive of women working in male dominated careers.
Suddenly he's a woman. Changes his name, bank account, driving licence. Working on the passport. It's been an area of obsession and expense.
He's managed to deliberately get himself beaten up in a pub by provoking. He now fits the poor me, victim club for trans acceptance but also completely distorts the violence statistics for everyone, men and women. The trans community need to get their statistics sorted out because we all need to know if there's really a problem or pattern of behaviour. Are 6ft tall men in dresses at risk drinking in market town pubs in the afternoon?

ArtemisiaTheArtist · 05/05/2025 08:37

@TruthInTransition your version of “womanhood” and all the arguments you state are far removed from the reality of lived womanhood.

I don’t identify with being a woman, I am one, I was born one. Trans women are born men and although they live a version of womanhood they will never be women, because they have experienced life as men, even if that life wasn’t wanted. Therefore, there are men, there are women, there are trans men, and there are trans women. Therefore is no nuance, however the much the trans community desires it.

TheKeatingFive · 05/05/2025 08:38

Annoyedone · 05/05/2025 08:36

There’s one thing that confuses me about all this. Maybe a wiser person can help.
TW claim to be women
women are told to be kind, budge up and shut up by TRA when they ask for their needs and wishes to be considered
TW demand access to women’s spaces as they are women
if TW were seriously considered to be women, surely they’d be told to be kind, shut up and budge up when they demand “their rights”
Im starting to think no one sees TW as women, not even their allies, as the difference in treatment is so stark. Am I getting this wrong?

That's how you know literally no one thinks TWAW.

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 05/05/2025 08:38

You are attributing the actions of a few individuals, real or alleged, to an entire marginalized community.

The only community that is marginalised here are women. Trans have been centred by everyone for years. As far as attributing the actions of a few - the action is that of stealing women’s language and destroying women’s spaces which is embedded in your whole ideology and which you are doing now.

Helleofabore · 05/05/2025 08:39

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:59

I've made my points, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions and perspectives, this moment marks our stand. I’ve said what I needed to say — consider it food for thought. We’re not going anywhere.

As much as I enjoy these conversations, it's time for me to shift focus and continue living my life. But make no mistake — this is only the beginning. I’ll be back, stronger than ever, to keep fighting for the rights of all trans women.

Until then, I look forward to all your replies, unfortunately I don't have time to respond to everyone but I do appreciate the you all for taking to respond, thank you 😊

Blimey ... this one is great!

This one really does encapsulate the 'I am a man and have come to explain life to you silly bigoted women' very well. So, that would be a 'no' to engaging with your lengthy hyperbole, misinformed and highly emotionally manipulative post then? Righto.

Did you ever think about what your engagement here on this discussion board showed the people you are attempting to convince? I think you very nicely fit the current model of male person demanding to be included in female single sex spaces. Well done!

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