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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

David Tennant graciously wishes accomplished presumed uterus haver no ill will

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GraduationDay · 26/04/2025 21:20

“JK Rowling is a wonderful author who’s created brilliant stories, and I wish her no ill will, but I hope that we can all as a society, just let people be. Just get out of people’s way.” So reckons kind and gracious David Tennant. Anyone else reading between the lines here and coming up with something like ‘women just need to stick to writing lovely stories for men to build their careers on, whilst also remembering about the cooking, cleaning and washing instead of drinking cocktails and smoking cigars, and they should just let men do whatever they want, and get out of their way and if they do this then they are most welcome to continue to exist as ideas in men’s heads and in common parlance as non-men, uterus havers, menstruating people and ideally, gestating people’ ?

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MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 16:50

PersephoneSeethes · 27/04/2025 11:12

No, it’s Georgia, you know his wife who
tells him everything he need to know ‘about this stuff’, apparently.

Yes. He's very careful to make this clear on every possible occasion.
I wonder why. Is he preparing her to take the blame when all this inevitably goes tits up?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 16:54

latetothefisting · 27/04/2025 12:17

People should learn from the Shiloh Jolie Pitt clusterfuck
Afaik, AJ and BP literally never said she was trans or even gender-questioning, people just made assumptions from the fact that she wanted a short haircut, wore 'boys' clothes and wanted to be treated like her older brothers.
Yet for years people were getting screamed at online for 'misgendering' and 'dead-naming' her, with even actual news outlets referring to her as 'John' despite them never saying anything other than it was a nickname she sometimes used.

Then at 16 she rocked up at a premiere with long blonde hair, make up and a fancy dress, clearly not trans, just a girl who in any other decade would have just been 'identified' as someone who had a tomboy phase. TBH if you've spend your entire life since birth with people speculating the degree to which you are going to take after your incredibly good-looking parents, who isn't going to want to try and opt out of that as an awkward pre-teen?

How much harder would it have been for her if they had formally transed her into 'John' in front of the world's media and she'd then wanted to backtrack?

It's true. Whatever else you might think of "Brangelina" they definitely handled this the right way.

MinnieCauldwell · 28/04/2025 16:54

DT claimed to have 'skin in the game' re trans rights but of course he has no skin in the game when it comes to Womens rights. They are a privileged family. His wife and daughters will not be on NHS wards with men, they will be in some private room in a private clinic. His daughters will not need a women only homeless shelter.

RipleyJones · 28/04/2025 17:10

Dave. If you read MN (we know you do / your wife does, even though you’d never admit it).. read this. Stop comparing Gay rights to ‘trans rights’. Ones a sexuality. Ones a cult, a movement, an ideology. Wake up you thick misogynistic homophobic slug (who is on the wrong side of history). Just let women be.

‘This nonsense is just the gay panic rebranded’

All the following are true:

  • trans rights activists ambulance chased the gay rights movement after their success;
  • many gay rights charities, seeing funding dry up after gay marriage was won, looked for a new cause and pivoted to the trans movement. Quelle surprise their funding increased exponentially and no one lost their job;
  • so many people parked their brains and simply believed (because be kind) the trans rights movement was indeed the new civil rights movement without thinking things through;
  • Stonewall had huge amounts of goodwill which they poured into trans rights and used to deceive and manipulate people, companies, NHS, governent departments etc so very successfully;
  • See also the notorious "Dentons document" which advised trans rights organsitions how to have gender identity/self id etc laws passed without proper scrutiny - this happened in NZ, in Ireland etc;
  • Around this time companies needed to offer DEI etc training and most didn't know what to do - so they outsourced to formerly "trusted" organisations like Stonewall, who somehow convinced everyone that sex didn't matter anymore. Stonewall even changed the definitions on their website saying gay people were "same gender attracted" (no longer same sex attracted). Stonewall & retrospectively destroyed their formerly good name & reputation;
  • trans rights are very homophobic - in fact trans "medical care" is 99% conversion therapy for gay people;
  • Trans rights are nothing to do with gay rights - no civil rights movement seeks to take rights away from other people and give a protected group of people additonal rights to everyone else. The trans rights movement is not a civil rights movement;
  • Trans rights movement is hugely divisive to all groups including lesbians and gay men;

Read this too, Dave.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11231895/amp/Veteran-gay-rights-protester-74-1969-Stonewall-Riots-attacked-pro-trans-mob.html

Gay rights protester who was at 1969 Stonewall Riots is attacked

Fred Sargeant, 74, was attacked at a pride event after holding a sign that crossed out the words, 'Woman face' and 'Black face,' while at the 39th Burlington Pride Parade in Vermont.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11231895/amp/Veteran-gay-rights-protester-74-1969-Stonewall-Riots-attacked-pro-trans-mob.html

SionnachRuadh · 28/04/2025 17:13

I wish actors would stop feeling the need to lecture us about the state of society, and I wish the media would stop encouraging them to do it.

Their job is to pretend to be people they're not, and read lines written by other people. That's what they're good at. If they're successful actors, it's because they're charismatic and, usually, conventionally good looking.

They don't have any special expertise, and many of them just aren't very bright.

I can sort of understand cases like George Takei or Lynda Carter, who have been basically retired for decades and don't have anything to do except tweet about Trump all day, but isn't DT in demand? Doesn't he have a job to do?

That's without mentioning the venom and spite he brings to the table.

FlakyCritic · 28/04/2025 17:14

BigHeadBertha · 27/04/2025 03:35

I wish I had so few real life things to deal with that I could sit around and pick on the few poor souls in the world whose gender and sex don't line up well.

You know, get all stupidly, self-righteously outraged; trot out know-nothing, self-congratulatory opinions; play the victim for no good reason, act like I should have a say in how other people handle their gender dysphoria, and otherwise be a giant, vicious doofus and bore.

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I wish I had so few real life things to deal with other than the first world privilege that is males cosplaying as girls and demanding women and girls lose our safe female only sex-based spaces and rights, but you keep pandering to men and making rape survivors like me less safe while you campaign to tear down my single sex spaces, @BigHeadBertha . How proud you must be, striking a blow for men and male supremacy. Never mind the trauma you cause rape survivors and DV victims.

WhatterySquash · 28/04/2025 17:29

Absolutely Ripley - I don't recall gay people in the 80s insisting on taking anyone else's rights or spaces. I don't recall them being channelled onto a pathway of drugs and surgery for being gay. I don't remember any protests for gay rights that called for feminists to be murdered and raped. I don't remember gay rights activists lying about the law and making up pseudoscience about how sex works in order to claim to be something they could not be.

Because it isn't anything like the same thing. People like DT need to rewind their thought processes right back to the point where they mindlessly accepted that being trans is exactly like being gay, and have a wee rethink.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:30

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2025 19:27

God, him singing 500 miles was wincingly cringy for anyone who's Scottish. He might as well have sung 'Donald Whaurs Yer Troosers' while frizbeeing slices of black pudding at the audience.

He didn’t? Omg what a bellend!

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:35

Almondina · 27/04/2025 20:46

This

I think tbf, he's only really thinking about "trans kids" specifically his own.
The rest of it he'll know about obviously, but that's not his focus. Happy to throw women under the bus without ever really looking at that part of the situation.
I also think he just really REALLY wants to be in with the cool kids.
Sad little wanker that he is.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:44

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/04/2025 10:51

Of course there’s an element of that but The Assembly is not scripted. The whole point is that the subject’s replies are spontaneous. Pretty hard to act that.

No it's not. Everybody does it all the time. Humans are social chameleons.

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2025 18:24

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:30

He didn’t? Omg what a bellend!

It's probably a small mercy that there wasn't a hideous tableau of Scottish stereotypes to really lean into it.

Someone juggling shortbread. Someone taking shots of Buckie while hiccuping and swaying. Someone doing a chanter version of that awful Heather on the Hill bullshite. A mechanical Capercaillie squawking everywhere.

The horrible possibilities are endless.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/04/2025 19:51

@FlakyCritic I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through 💐🤗

roseyposey · 28/04/2025 20:54

WhatterySquash · 28/04/2025 17:29

Absolutely Ripley - I don't recall gay people in the 80s insisting on taking anyone else's rights or spaces. I don't recall them being channelled onto a pathway of drugs and surgery for being gay. I don't remember any protests for gay rights that called for feminists to be murdered and raped. I don't remember gay rights activists lying about the law and making up pseudoscience about how sex works in order to claim to be something they could not be.

Because it isn't anything like the same thing. People like DT need to rewind their thought processes right back to the point where they mindlessly accepted that being trans is exactly like being gay, and have a wee rethink.

Hear hear from another poster who remembers the 80s clearly with all the male pop singers who wore make up without it ever meaning anything whatsoever.

CarefulN0w · 28/04/2025 20:57

Did anyone catch Stephen Kinnock on Times Radio this morning? He was asked about his transitioned child, and seemed to be trying to lower the temperature. He said something like he loved his child very much and was sure there was a way forward after the ruling.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/04/2025 22:26

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:44

No it's not. Everybody does it all the time. Humans are social chameleons.

I don’t/am not. Wear my heart on my sleeve. Maybe unusual,

RhannionKPSS · 28/04/2025 22:54

CarefulN0w · 28/04/2025 20:57

Did anyone catch Stephen Kinnock on Times Radio this morning? He was asked about his transitioned child, and seemed to be trying to lower the temperature. He said something like he loved his child very much and was sure there was a way forward after the ruling.

I am glad he loves his child, we all love our children and that’s why we want to protect them , sometimes from themselves and not go along with any harmful behavior or delusions they may have.

I do wonder just how many Labour politicians especially have “ skin” in this.

Enough4me · 28/04/2025 23:19

RhannionKPSS · 28/04/2025 22:54

I am glad he loves his child, we all love our children and that’s why we want to protect them , sometimes from themselves and not go along with any harmful behavior or delusions they may have.

I do wonder just how many Labour politicians especially have “ skin” in this.

I wonder if he tried to get mental health support for his child?
That would be a good first step, but I suppose may have gone wrong and pushed them further along the 'you must validate' approach.

WhatterySquash · 28/04/2025 23:25

RhannionKPSS · 28/04/2025 22:54

I am glad he loves his child, we all love our children and that’s why we want to protect them , sometimes from themselves and not go along with any harmful behavior or delusions they may have.

I do wonder just how many Labour politicians especially have “ skin” in this.

I image some of those kids will be detransitioning or desisting by now, though as has been said, it is very hard for a child or teen to do that if everyone has been cheering them on and they have a support network built up around transness that they stand to lose.

But a thoughtful parent might still be able to change their position and try to allow their child some wiggle room and options. Or maybe SK is just saying “none of your business” in a polite way so as not to put the child in the public eye right in the middle of this shitstorm.

I also wonder about situations where one parent is more firmly on the affirmation bandwagon than the other, that must be very difficult and the public probably won’t be aware of the full picture.

CarefulN0w · 29/04/2025 07:34

WhatterySquash · 28/04/2025 23:25

I image some of those kids will be detransitioning or desisting by now, though as has been said, it is very hard for a child or teen to do that if everyone has been cheering them on and they have a support network built up around transness that they stand to lose.

But a thoughtful parent might still be able to change their position and try to allow their child some wiggle room and options. Or maybe SK is just saying “none of your business” in a polite way so as not to put the child in the public eye right in the middle of this shitstorm.

I also wonder about situations where one parent is more firmly on the affirmation bandwagon than the other, that must be very difficult and the public probably won’t be aware of the full picture.

I actually did wonder if there was a detransition happening. He seemed to me to be very averse to digging in on the position and used careful language. It sounded very different to the strident calls of DT and others.

Tomatotater · 29/04/2025 15:19

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 17:30

He didn’t? Omg what a bellend!

It was also a rehashed skit he did for Doctor Who Confidential with the aforementioned John Barrowman If I remember correctly

SionnachRuadh · 29/04/2025 15:43

Tomatotater · 29/04/2025 15:19

It was also a rehashed skit he did for Doctor Who Confidential with the aforementioned John Barrowman If I remember correctly

If Barrowman is involved you're never too far from a bellend

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