I did it

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

I posted in support of the Supreme Court judgment on my Facebook profile.

I've made a note of my friend count, let's see if it drops.

Two likes so far, no comments.

Wtf that should be such a stupid take to anyone, regardless of what anyone may think of anything anyone may think of what she's said??

I saw on Reddit that apparently this 7 years in the making landmark UK Supreme Court decision on women’s rights is just a sop to JD Vance by Starmer to placate the Trump administration over trade.

Thanks, I've just WhatsApped that to my daughter .

‘Bravery calls to bravery’.

Tickle vs Giggle is what I was referring to.

Sall Grover lost in the Federal Court but she is appealing to the Supreme Court.

For Women Scotland lost in the Court of Session but won in the Supreme Court.

So there is still hope for Sall.

🙏

Not enough eye rolls in the world for this.

Good, hopefully they can now make trans people welcome in their own spaces.

It's like competitive stupidity, isn't it?

I completely admire any of you that speak out, especially if it puts you in a difficult situation in your workplace.

I’m extremely lucky that I run my own business, the nature of which doesn’t really come into contact with these issues, but everyone that knows me knows where I am on this, and almost all agree, to my face anyway!

One of my nieces, to whom I am very close, is a lesbian, and her partner is pretty captured, but is quite guarded because she knows how we feel. She asked me once at a get together at my house, if I agreed that Ru Paul was a beautiful woman, and I obviously replied that of course I didn’t, because he’s a man dressed up as a woman, and a hideous parody to boot. She tried to force the issue and I told her that there were plenty of beautiful women sitting around the table with us, and none of them were men. She at least left it at that, but I sense that she wants to say more to see if she can persuade me!

I am ‘out’ in terms of my GC views but I don’t post about them on social media as I don’t think that achieves much other than keyboard warrioring.

I talk about the importance of ensuring everyone is, and feels, welcome to use provision/facilities that enable them to live their lives. I talk about the challenges with respecting everyone’s dignity and safety and how this simply cannot be achieved without compromise if/when validating someone’s identity through access to sex based provision (that doesn’t match their sex) is regarded as the only dignified solution.

I also acknowledge that there isn’t a single solution. For example, third spaces aren’t applicable when it comes to the distress that a young transwoman might experience if stripped searched by a male. I state that the SC ruling confirming that a woman has a right not to be searched by a transwoman doesn’t worsen this issue though.

I avoid focussing on toilets or JK Rowling. Both of these subjects/focus tend to give room for righteousness being spouted that detract from substantive issues.

I haven’t said anything publicly, as others have said, it would be risky in terms of my job.

I am expecting it to come up on Tuesday though, there is one trans person at work, and due to my position, any issues or questions they have will come to me initially. If that does happen, I’ll need to refer to HR for the corporate steer to protect myself from directing which toilets to use.
It'll be interesting what they say.

Congratulations @MissScarletInTheBallroom . I have been using facebook as a platform to publicise my GC views for a number of years. I am not going to go into too much detail as it is too outing. I am old and retired, have very few friends in real life or online and no voluntary activities that would be affected by me getting 'cancelled' or whatever.

I felt that so many people had to be so careful in order to preserve their jobs and livelihoods, relationships etc that I couldn't just sit back and do nothing when I had little to lose.

Almost no-one has interacted with my posts. I got some real-life kickback at the start from a close relative and when I explained about men in women's changing rooms, prisons etc did see my pov. This person is in a workplace which is completely captured and other close family not related to me have a trans mtf member so it is difficult. They act as flying monkeys. We don't discuss it.

I lost another very close real life friend/family member and we no longer speak.
I've only had one anonymous message along the lines of 'die Nazi scum' .

I strongly suspect most of my friends have muted me! I have more followers (still very few) than friends and have no idea why. I suspect most of them are scammers or bots. I am not that clued up about how facebook works.

I have got some gc 'merch' but have not had the courage to display it when out in public. I'm thinking about that. I get so angry when I see the trans flag/logos everywhere and know that if I tried to display a Suffragette lanyard, ribbon, etc I would probably suffer abuse.

I posted about the SC judgement and interestingly got 'likes' from a small number of people who previously have kept very quiet. I do sense that the judgement has freed people up to express views that previously they felt they couldn't. The chilling effect is real.

So good luck to you and many congratulations. I know how hard it is.

Sadly I know some of my relationships will never recover. Not least I am unable not to feel a lot of contempt for some people who have not shown any support of any kind and kept well out of it all. My life won't reset to how it was before. My landscape has permanently altered. Maybe it is the same for them, I don't know and don't really care anymore.

Sorry about the long post, I have very, very few people I can talk to about this irl. I was so relieved about the judgement. It lifted a huge burden that I hadn't really been aware I was carrying. I don't think the fight is over by a long way but we now have a firm legal framework to work from.

Mumsnet has been invaluable.

I'm sure you will be having a positive effect even if you don't know it.

I really sympathise with you in that situation. I don't tend to talk about it in real life, except with a couple of friends, one thing which peaked me was my SiL going apeshit at me at a family do, calling me a homophobe.

I only said that they're not actual women.

My wife seems to be coming round, daughter has a "trans girl" bestie, they're 12 and have sleepovers.

Would your daughter be allowed a sleepover with any other boy? I'm not judging; just genuinely curious. My best friend at high school was a boy and we didn't fancy each other, but we were never allowed sleepovers together.

Whenever I hear about a trans boy attending a boys school, I think, that's all good and well until the trans boy gets pregnant. 😬
Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it seems like a massive safeguarding risk, and I don't understand why teachers and parents are okay with it.

I have previously posted GC stuff, haven't stirred the hornet's nest on this one.

What got me unfriended wasn't my post - tho that got some batty arguments and accusations. I only got unfriended by one when I politely querying something she posted. Can't have our right on friends seeing we're friends with the enemy.

rebmacesrevda · Today 09:36

No, but usually there's a group of them, her birthday was a short time ago and that one and two others stopped over. I drove them to a trampoline party and he said twice that he's gay... which is new.

Apparently there's a boy he fancies, but doesn't dare tell.

the Australian legislation doesn’t mention sex I believe, only gender. It
sounds like a much harder argument.

I agree it won't necessarily go the same way, but if it doesn't, hopefully it will be an eye opener for Australian women.

Confirmation that in Australia, female people have been erased from law.

The morning after, we are up to nine likes (8 women, one man, 7 lawyers, one data scientist, one nurse, mostly in late 30s) and one robust but civilised conversation. No unfriendings so far.

I am in EXACTLY the same boat.I have occasionally commented on public pages, but I'm very, very careful.
It stinks, and I feel like a coward but in real life I need my wage and I'm an autistic middle-aged woman with chronic health problems so job-hunting really doesn't appeal.

pontefractals

I'm sorry you (and so many others) have been robbed of your voice, it absolutely stinks. Vile bullies put me in a bad frame of mind.

Urghhh JKRowling is a pioneer. She must have a strong stomach to handle all the hate.

I was extremely pissed off that the Pagan Federation put out a long statement to say that trans women are women and transmen are men and that they will not be changing their views on this. But they always were a waste of space right from the beginning.

Does your gay friend date trans men?

I haven't asked him, but I am assuming not.

And in our conversation he has said "trans women are women" several times but he has not said "trans men are men".