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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I did it

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 16:39

I posted in support of the Supreme Court judgment on my Facebook profile.

I've made a note of my friend count, let's see if it drops.

Two likes so far, no comments.

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FoxRedPuppy · 20/04/2025 17:29

I can’t post or talk about it except to a few women I know are GC. I experienced some horrific workplace bullying over my views a few years ago. It was a friend (now ex friend!). And I can’t face it. I know I’m a coward, but in my sector and workplace I could be really pushed out. I wouldn’t lose my job, but working there would be utterly miserable. A very good friend is taken, and I can’t bear to lose the friendship.

I never go along with them, but I just don’t say how I feel in it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 17:41

Oh, first like from a man.

Interestingly most of the people who have liked it are lawyers. But that might just be because I know a lot of lawyers.

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VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 17:46

I'm getting more tempted to post it, or say something about it. I normally stay quiet on my socials about issues of late and reserve it for posting about music but I have posted before criticising the LGBT community and about MAPs and AGPs etc and my few trans friends consider me to be 'truscum' and know I consume GC material and have defended GC views.
I'd be interested to see what the rest of my online and real life associations would say/think considering it's a big mix of different political views, TWAW types, GC people and generally just artist and musician types across the world. Hmmmm.

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 17:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 17:17

First dissenting comment from a gay man.

I responded politely, but pointing out that as a man, perhaps he doesn't have the necessary lived experience to understand why this is so important for women.

And honestly alot of gay men are deeply misogynistic as well.

Factsandfeelings · 20/04/2025 17:50

Tbh every single person I’ve spoken privately with in RL has agreed with my views fully and gone into detail about the fact that they’re also GC but afraid to be public about it. All have also said that every single person they’ve spoken to in RL has privately said they agree. These people range from 30-60 and work in education, retail, nursing, midwifery, tech, hospitality. A range of people from different backgrounds.

I strongly feel that 90% + of women in the uk feel the same but are too scared to say so.

Ive only spoken to 3 people in RL who are strongly opposed/TRA. Two trans women and one gay man.

AlexandraLeaving · 20/04/2025 17:50

I salute you. I've not managed to post anything yet on my FB feed because there are a few friends on there who are dramatically 'allies'.

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 17:51

Interesting thread. I also posted and have had only 2 likes after 2 days. I don’t post much but naively had posted about the Peggie tribunal in Feb and was surprised that I got messages and texts from people saying they agreed but they weren’t prepared to comment on the post. But they did also say they were surprised that I didn’t suffer a pile-on which would have happened before. The more people who post respectful and sensible views, the more acceptable it will be for others to do the same. Little by little!

HPFA · 20/04/2025 17:54

If anyone wants to try dipping their toe in the water they could try posting the Gaby Hinsliff piece in the Guardian.

It's a reasonable attempt at trying to see both sides and could let you start a conversation without outing yourself.

clarabenton · 20/04/2025 18:04

Well done!!! I remember the first time I did that on FB. Got a few unfriends and one outraged comment from DH’s misogynist Owen Jones-worshipping friend (who is no longer his friend).

It gets easier when you realise that you are not the one defending appalling misogyny, scientific illiteracy, homophobia and violence against women. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Since then I’ve completely outed myself by writing a novel that makes my views very clear. Most people have enjoyed it but every so often someone will buy and read it and treat me very differently thereafter, I remind myself of the above on those occasions!

There will likely be other women on your FB who are too nervous to like your post this time but who will feel emboldened by your stance and might feel brave the next time. It does take a lot of courage to stand up for women’s rights in the current climate and I know how scary it must have been so give yourself a pat on the back. The next time will be easier!

rebmacesrevda · 20/04/2025 18:15

Once I’d peaked (thanks to Dr Upton!) I felt compelled to tell someone and the next people I saw were family. I did this really big build-up, saying how my whole belief system had been upended, and I didn’t know what to believe any more, and I felt betrayed by Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Government. Told them, expecting them to be shocked, but they just nodded. My bro knew all about it because his boss is (secretly) GC. My mum didn’t know, but she’s now on a mission to tell everyone she meets, and gives regular updates about all the people who completely agree. Often they are total strangers 😂

CautiousLurker01 · 20/04/2025 18:21

Welcome aboard! You’ll be looked after here.

MTCoffeePot · 20/04/2025 18:25

I tend to just post fun things on Facebook these days but, it was really getting me down that several friends were posting laments for the SC ruling. Some of these friends are former work colleagues that I knew were full-on 'most oppressed ever' types. Another person is an old friend with a daughter who is trans. I just couldn't believe that they posted photographs of the protests yesterday but were choosing not to see the violent mentality that was evident. Anyway, I posted the Loretta clip from Monty Python last night - no responses - I posted Sonia Sodha's piece from the Observer earlier today. I'm tempted to unfriend them but I have valued their friendship at other times so I don't want to do anything drastic.

ArabellaScott · 20/04/2025 18:28

I've only ever 'unfriended' one person over it. He was a knob, anyway.

moto748e · 20/04/2025 18:33

I think another thing is, that if you want to go all in, and really convince someone, it's much better done face-to-face than batting messages back and forth on FB Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Not always feasible if people are far away.

AnotherEmma · 20/04/2025 18:34

Well done. I'm not as brave as you. Had to "mute" some friends from my feed for a bit as their posts were really bothering me and I don't want to get into it on FB. I think they're all crazy but don't want to lose some otherwise good friendships over it and would prefer to discuss (carefully) in person if it comes up.

drspouse · 20/04/2025 18:35

I did and one friend posted against (middle aged man). Then he took it down as he thought it was "too much". If we thought a FB comment was too much, where would that have got us?

Hoppinggreen · 20/04/2025 18:35

Someone I know who has a trans son posted that she hoped The TERFS were bracing for 6ft bearded TM in Womens toilets now.
I just de friended her.

BoeotianNightmare · 20/04/2025 18:39

I've been debating doing this. I have hardly any FB friends but the ones I have, I imagine are pro gender ideology. I have discussed it with one IRL and I don't think she liked my views. 😥 It can be so lonely..

JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 20/04/2025 18:46

The only person on my feed emoting about this is a FTM formerly lesbian vicar. I don’t think I have it in me to engage.

NeverOneBiscuit · 20/04/2025 18:47

Good on you 💪
Interested to see what reaction you get.

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 18:54

@JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch

'FTM formerly lesbian vicar' that truly is a unique life experience!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 19:05

OK so after two hours I'm up to 6 likes, and a brief but civilised discussion with the gay guy, who still maintains that TWAW but showed some empathy for female rape survivors denied single sex support (which he appeared to be unaware of) and said he would read the judgment.

Plus one other guy who hasn't liked the post but has liked some of the comments in the discussion between me and the gay guy.

Friend count unchanged for the time being.

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BumbleBeegu · 20/04/2025 19:05

I commented in support of a woman who posted on an NEU facebook post yesterday. The NEU conference was held over the last few days, and apparently they voted unanimously in favour of holding a yearly ‘Women’s Conference’ (they already hold separate LGBTQ+, Disabled and Black/Minorities conferences each year. This woman asked the question, will the ‘Women’s Conference’ only be open to biological women following the SC judgement. She was shot down in flames and called names, as everyone jumped on to clarify that it was open to ‘ALL women’ (the ‘all’ was capitalised throughout). She asked several times for absolute clarification of what ‘ALL’ meant, but this was ignored for ages, until someone finally said that the conference would be ‘inclusive’ of anyone who ‘identified or presented as a woman’.

She was told that this had been made clear at the start of the vote and that ‘nobody’ present had raised it as an issue.

I’m not surprised that there were no objections if I’m honest. The TRA voice is so loud in education that everyone is bloody terrified of speaking out. We would absolutely lose our jobs if we so much as whispered our dissent.

I don’t think this fight is over…not by a long shot! It’s too embedded in public institutions and the average person is too afraid of losing their livelihood and career to protest it. 😢😔

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 19:06

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 18:54

@JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch

'FTM formerly lesbian vicar' that truly is a unique life experience!

I am one degree of separation from a MTF formerly heterosexual vicar, so not as unique as you might think!

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