I did it

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

I posted in support of the Supreme Court judgment on my Facebook profile.

I've made a note of my friend count, let's see if it drops.

Two likes so far, no comments.

I get that this is complicated for people with children in the captured generation, but they do need to learn that their mum is allowed to have opinions they disagree with.

I know someone where her dd worked for a big captured organisation. She was wanted that her mum being publicly GC could be problematic.

They know my opinions.

That's shocking. I hope that in the wake of the Supreme Court judgment it will become apparent that most people have gender critical views and so if you are going to illegally discriminate against people based on what their family think, you'll have some pretty severe staffing shortages.

It comes back to the difference between discrimination and just being constantly left out, being asked directly what your views are, being constantly argued with, being called a bigot.

But I think a lot of the fear will remain because there is a real possibility for social and professional isolation. Nothing that would outwardly be classed as bullying, but would make life miserable.

To quote Gisèle Pélicot, shame needs to switch sides.

It needs to be the people who don't believe women deserve equal rights who are shunned and looked down on.

Yes. The people who try to shame us by saying that THEY had never had any issues with transwomen, is disregarding women and girls' experiences of sexual assault at the hands of a transwoman. It's actually incredibly fucking callous, when you think about it.

I guess the explanation is that they have created a sacred caste in their head, that a transwoman is by definition incapable of doing any wrong.

I did it too on the day of the ruling. Friend count still the same. First like was from a man and there were six likes in all, four women and two men. Comments mostly in agreement apart from one, from a woman, saying she disagrees.

I cannot get my head around women agreeing with trans ideology. One woman I know who agrees with GI is actually a lesbian and her views mystify me. She truly believes that TWAW, crazy.

I've just commented that sex is binary (with a link to an explanation of why sex is binary) after a friend said sex isn't binary. I'm not going to get into rows of Facebook but that was scientifically wrong.

'I've just commented that sex is binary (with a link to an explanation of why sex is binary) after a friend said sex isn't binary'

I always want to ask these people if they understand how babies are made! The stupidity is quite mind blowing 🤦🏻‍♂️

You are absolutely right. I’m just a coward and can’t face being treated like that at work again and being socially isolated.

It's OK. We get it.

My friend count has remained unchanged, which I am taking to mean that either no one looks at Facebook anymore, or I don't know anyone with extreme enough views to cut me off over this.

It possibly helps that I have been very very vocal about my political views in the past, so no one would dare accuse me of being right wing!

I remember asking someone if there aren't 2 sexes, then how many are there? How do they make babies??

My most vocal friend is male. One day I may ask him how he identified a wife with the potential to bear children, given having children was his life’s dream.

Friend of OH is full of this bolleaux. Really misogynistically, in that he’s fine with women having unfair sports ‘because there are only a few’ (of these men who claim to be women cheating at women’s sports with their male bodies). But then it is ‘oh please, I don’t want to talk about it any more’. As if he wasn’t the one on dodgy moral ground.

I have more time for flat earthers, than these shysters.

Now up to 12 likes, but the most recent one is very interesting. American, millennial, from the East Coast, definitely votes Democrat, I am very pleasantly surprised by this one!

Maybe I should try this with my 'captured' DD19. All I get, atm, is a big huff/sigh whenever I bring anything Terfy into the conversation. I can't mention the recent ruling because I know she'll pull a face and walk away. 🙄

I've a TWAW friend, who is absolutely lovely. Believes we should all live the way we all want to without judgement. Which is fine; up to a degree. She posts fairly regularly on FB but on this subject she is silent...however the other day I spotted a post on her Insta page. Some TRA saying that it's been proven, scientifically, that our chromosomes change/alter as we age so the ruling is rubbish as men can clearly become women, as proven by science... Not sure how many likes she got for that.

The only person on my friends list who has posted things on FB is a woman with a daughter who believes she is a man. I've neither commented nor 'liked' any of the stuff as I don't agree with it but can agree that she will find it hard, given that she feels her daughter will be affected in some way

I wish I could do this.

I'm a police officer and I have a bad feeling it would get flagged.

I have joined a local writing forum, which meets weekly. I have recently (last 2 weeks because of how the meetings work) realised that one member is a TiF and that the group generally is pro-trans ally. They do not know I am GC and nothing in my writing suggests it but one person I know is trans likes both my work and me. Difficult situation. I have posted on Facebook but most people do not recognise my facebook name and I have specifically not linked to the group's facebook page.

@LookingAtMyBhunas Join Police SEEN UK:
x.com/PoliceSEENUK?t=K-r5_Who5YxCB5StMZKMRg&s=09
Or website
www.policeseenuk.co.uk/

Thank you so much. I'm now following them. We will see what my force comes up with. The initial post on the intranet page just talked about how they 'As always support all from the LGBTQ community, more support for those with concerns can be found here:" and then just a list of LGBT charities, nothing about women. Not holding my breath.

Thank you again.

This is all a far cry from “bring your whole self” isn’t it? Presumably you’re fine with the TiM in your reading group but it’s the toxic debate which means you e got to hide your views? Such a shame.

I decided to share a post with Wes Streeting’s positive and calm interview saying we should all be working together to find a way through this. I think the GI and GC people are all steering clear on that 🤣

Hi @MissScarletInTheBallroomand everyone else.
Back to this thread, feeling a bit shit just need to recharge my confidence.
I’ve been starting to talk to more friends IRL about my beliefs and support for SC ruling. I felt empowered and brave at first. How it’s going…

I had one very TWAW gay male friend get into a great long debate with me and I feel we’ve stayed friends and both aired our views in the spirit of curiosity and great discourse but he hasn’t seen my pov at all really. Apart from sports and prisons, about which he had never thought before!! But still says he hasn’t changed his view point overall.

My very best friend has told me to stop talking about it so much. I know her views are majority the same as mine overall but she seems to wash over it in the end with be kind/ let’s be progressive and cool. My other closest mate just wandered off and wouldn’t engage in the conversation.

And finally I have another close friend who’s known my views for years who now just ignores what I’ve said on this topic and cuts across starting a new topic of conversation. She does that quite a lot anyway so I may be reading into it that she’s deliberately cutting me off on this. She always been into gender ideology to be fair.

How are others getting on if you are braving this topic since the SC ruling?

Hi there @Hamabeed. I'm sorry your conversations haven't been that fruitful so far.

In all honesty I have not really raised the subject with individual people, other than a couple I know already agree with me.

By posting on Facebook I was signalling my opinion in public without attempting to engage specific people in debate. The person who commented on my post and started a conversation chose to engage with me. I didn't try to force him to engage. Perhaps that is the key - he knew he didn't have to get involved in a conversation and could walk away from it any time he wanted. I think it also helps a lot when it's not a face to face conversation because you can take your time to think about how to respond rather than coming up with a response in real time.

I haven't had the confidence to bring it up in face to face conversations with people I know have different opinions.

Some people find the whole thing too stressful to think about and so maybe don't like to be reminded all the time.