I did it

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

I posted in support of the Supreme Court judgment on my Facebook profile.

I've made a note of my friend count, let's see if it drops.

Two likes so far, no comments.

I'm actually in France and I don't really have a decent handle on whether I could get into trouble for speaking up or not.

I guess I'm taking the view that all I am doing is commenting on a court case and I have been very careful not to say anything that could be considered transphobic.

What you say is really chilling because if I was in one of the countries you mention I would not be able to speak out. I'm hoping Sall Grover manages to move the needle for women in Australia. UK litigation can have a persuasive effect on court decisions in those three countries because their legal systems are based on ours and because their populations are smaller and so their volume of litigation is lower their courts often consider UK decisions if a particular point hasn't been litigated in their court system before. I don't know if that would apply in this area of law but I think it's quite likely that the lawyers representing Sall Grover will try to take what they can from the Supreme Court judgment to help her case. And if she loses her appeal, the message then will be, "Female people in the UK have the right to exist in law, in Australia they don't."

A former friend of mine who went full TRA when one of his daughters declared herself to be non-binary posted on a transgender support thread on an unrelated forum that he'd put up "trans-supportive" FB posts and had no hostility but almost no likes or comments, from which he deduced that most people he knew were quietly supportive of the Supreme Court judgement.

I've been blocked and unfriended in the past for my GC views. I've never felt the need to reciprocate; I'm not that fragile. I have to be careful on social media because two of my daughters are in academia and one of them has expressed concern that being linked to a vociferously GC parent could compromise her own career prospects.

Yes, I believe the ‘professional boards’ issue is a huge part of the success TRAs have had in framing the narrative - especially in terms of the so called ‘demographic’ of GC women being ‘older’. The sad part of this is that it also means that it is left to older women, sometimes very elderly women to fight this. Some of these women are especially vulnerable due to their age and some have lost valuable support systems in the way of children and grandchildren. I’ve been told a similar dynamic was at play during the fight for abortion in that women in education or health who were in favour of abortion rights were often not able to speak up for fear of committing career suicide. And of course, these fields are heavily female dominated.

I’ve posted on some groups I’m part of -who have put up posts along the lines of “we don’t normally post political messages but just to let you know everyone is welcome here, we know some people are angry, and devastated at the ruling blah blah blah” I’ve simply said -I assume everyone is welcome here, I know many women welcomed the decision - rape survivors who are grateful they can have supportive single sex spaces to recover from their trauma etc.

If it gives one person in that group courage to say the sane elsewhere that’s important -we need to reclaim the narrative

I’ve not been silent on my Terfism. Posted the result of the SC outcome as a victory for common sense and had around 20 positive comments from friends who had been silent previously (plus comments from terfy friends!)
2 blokes wade in with ‘but what about the poor victimised trans people.??” It was so good to see others respond with ‘I’m uncomfortable with trans accessing changing rooms” and “they’re still men” . Both guys then go on to post ‘I stand with trans’ on their pages

I'd love to know more about your novel clarabenton and to support it if possible, but completely understand if you don't want to say.

I’ve only seen a couple of posts against the judgement, from exactly the people I’d expect to post them.

I haven’t been brave enough to post anything. But I did have an open conversation (tentatively at first) with a friend and discovered we’re entirely on the same page. Her child and mine are best friends so I’m glad to hear I don’t have to worry about that angle!

The NHS Trust I'm on the bank staff for have posted on FB how disappointed they are at the ruling. I've risked replying with 'disappointed'??? I guess that's my side job fucked then. No shits acutally.

They’ve already been through the loop and come out with a different answer. Tickle v Giggle.

‘The Australian Federal court's ruling implicitly addressed the question of what constitutes a "woman" for the purposes of discrimination law, suggesting that sex is not solely determined by biology and can be changed’

Obviously there is lots more to it. Perhaps it can be overturned, I don’t know. I hope for the sake of women in Australia, it can be. I’m sure this case gave confidence to TRAs that they’d win here too. Wrong!

Solidarity. I moved from an increasingly captured workplace to one where I could be openly gender critical - this was a deliberate move, tbh. The subject is rarely discussed, but biology rules. God, the relief!

It's about time NHS Trusts learnt to do their bloody job, rather than telling the world how to live, isn't it?

A distant friend who posted a very triumphalist status about the win had about 25 posts mildly harassing her from her 'friends'. One even said 'this thread is being monitored' which is pretty threatening.
I posted a big cheery 'yes I agree with you, what about the feelings of girls with no medals, etc etc' because they were staging a pile-on.

It feels weird to be allowed to post this stuff now! It feels weird to see someone putting the threat to free speech on, and us being allowed to speak anyway.

I’m working up to it, but I’ll create a specific list of friends I feel I can trust. I’ve had quite a lot of online harassment/shunning from people I considered friends previously and frankly I don’t need that shit again!

One of my friends have posted on Facebook today

J k Rowling is to women what Andrew Tate is to men; an embarrassment and a deep source of shame

I mean what the fuck 😕

Well that seems really dodgy. “Disappointed”?! It’s the Supreme Court, NHS trusts should have the sense to follow it! I wonder what level that post was signed off at…

Yes but Sal is attempting an appeal and there is a crowdfund for it - please Google if you can help her. It’s a really important case particularly for Australia and NZ and we were devastated over here when she lost the first round. I’ve met Sal briefly in person and she is formidable. The UK certainly has influence on our legal process here and we are elated at your success. Her case may or may not be the ‘one’ but it certainly gains some media attention and any attention in the media is better than none on the issue - as mostly our media just totally stifle the discussion, other than bleating excitedly about ‘glamorous’ drag queens and freaking out when a trans flag somewhere is treated with anything other than holy veneration. Please help us by continuing to draw attention to Sal Grover and Giggle vs Tickle. In NZ there is also a case due to go through the courts regarding a group of elderly lesbian women who were prevented from having a stall at a Pride festival because they wanted to share some maps showing Lesbian venues past and present around Auckland. They are called LAVA and a quick Google will also bring up their plight. I hope our moment will come over here but something about our culture and attitudes, particularly in NZ makes me very fearful that we have a long road ahead. Misogyny is particularly virulent in these parts and TRAs have found fertile ground.

Well done OP and thank you for starting this thread. I’m feeling apprehensive now I’ve shared the Observer editorial on some WhatsApp groups tonight and made my views clear after years of avoiding the topic. I know we are right to speak what we know is the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/20/the-observer-view-on-equality-act-ruling-a-dignified-compromise-that-respects-the-rights-of-everyone

Yes I've seen similar - it's all JK Rowling's fault even though it was a ruling by the highest court in the land!

Ha! So my friend has seen my post on her FB page, which I wrote under her own (which said Transwomen Are Women).

She simply put "we'll have to agree to disagree about this" which is okay, I suppose.

But without this thread, I wouldn't have felt brave enough to challenge her.

So thanks to you all for emboldening me.

Funnily enough, I know a MTF vicar…who now considers himself a lesbian

Ooh this is freaky... me too! I think the one I know knows a few more as well

Well done for posting on FB!

That's a contradiction.
😂

What is it with vicars and lesbians? What have I missed in modern religious studies lately? 🤣

I also know a female vicar who's a lesbian.

There seems to be a lot of them about.