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Memories of the last few years of madness

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SuperSleepyBaby · 20/04/2025 13:12

There have been so many issues over the last few years with trans rights clashing with women’s rights… its been fascinating, in a bad way.

some that come to mind:

A man photographed breastfeeding a newborn in a bus - and being used by the BBC to represent mothers for a story

A man running a rape crisis centre while saying he’s a women and telling women users of the service to ‘reframe their trauma’

a man saying he’s a women and being appointed to head a charity for endometriosis.

Male police officers who say they are women being allowed to strip search women.

What else…

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SingleAHF · 21/04/2025 11:57

myplace · 20/04/2025 15:27

18 yr old Lilly MadDugan hounding a lesbian out of her role as Labour Women’s Officer so he could do it having been a ‘woman’ for all of ten minutes.

Then being outed as a bog standard, predatory bloke.

Sorry you have misremembered some details. His name was Lily Madigan and he was 19. He put in a complaint against the women's officer for Bexhill, claiming that she was transphobic, then subsequently stood in the Rochester area which is many miles away from Bexhill.

Szygy · 21/04/2025 11:58

TheCatsTongue · 21/04/2025 11:35

The madness doesn't end, on the BBC and ITV today the obituaries for the Pope mention his stance on trans rights.

Is there any news article that somehow doesn't have to revolve around trans?

I expect the drag queens will be along soon to pay a special tribute.

ETA x-posted with WaitWhat!

Gettingbysomehow · 21/04/2025 12:06

Heylo · 21/04/2025 10:53

If you can find it pls post it here so we can a mass report him to the authorities in his country - at least here in the UK that’s technically a hate crime.

what an animal bringing someone with a disability into it.

I know it's absolutely disgusting. I'll try and find it.

TheCatsTongue · 21/04/2025 12:06

Yes, it reminds me at the start of the Ukraine war and there was a lot of articles about the impact on trans women in Ukraine.

Strangely enough in a country where all fighting-age men weren't allowed to leave and had to join the army a lot of men started identifying as trans women. Yet no one could understand why...

TheLongRider · 21/04/2025 12:40

On the good side, there are some great articles that exposed the madness. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" by Barra Kerr from 2019 on the Fair Play for Women website. Also one that I can't find that memorably described the struggle against "Be kind" and the "What is a woman" shite with the exhortation to "Pullllll!" the meanings of words to their rightful place as evidenced in the SC judgment. If anyone can find the second article I'd be grateful.

AliasGrace47 · 21/04/2025 12:49

TheCatsTongue · 21/04/2025 11:35

The madness doesn't end, on the BBC and ITV today the obituaries for the Pope mention his stance on trans rights.

Is there any news article that somehow doesn't have to revolve around trans?

I'm so sad about the Pope. He was just getting better, or so I thought. He was excellent imo in pushing for more inclusion of women & a softer stance on gay people while announcing gender ideology to be 'demonic'.

Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 16:41

One of the most defining moments of madness in all of this for me gave me both a “What the fuck! You all have lost your minds?” moment and a “Oh my god women are bloody amazing!” moment within seconds of each other.

22nd December 2022 when members of the Scottish Parliament voted to PASS the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill by 86 votes to 39 was probably one of the ultimate lows of the past few years and I was enraged that the Scottish Parliament had totally and utterly fucked women over

Luckily one of the women sat in the viewing gallery at Holyrood was just as enraged as I was, as immediately after the passing of the GRR (Scotland) Bill in Holyrood, Elaine Miller, a pelvic physiotherapist, and occasional wearer of a very fetching vulva costume, stood up in the public gallery and shouted:

“If this Parliament will not respect the rights of women, then you have no decency. And if you will not be decent towards women who are being raped right now in jails that you’re in charge of, if you will not be decent, then I will be indecent. Get it right up yers. You TERRIBLE TERRIBLE people.”

And as she started to shout “then I will be indecent…” she raised her skirt and, thanks to an MSP with a phone on record, the world got a fantastic view of a fun fur merkin stuck to the front of her tights.

Youtube Video of said moment here:

And a beetle’s poetic re-telling of the moment below:

THE MERKIN LADY

It was a bleak day in December when the Bill from hell was passed.
We’d all sat and listened to the most egregious lies rehashed.
Knowing that the politicians had been whipped to vote,
was doomed to be the only thing to cling on to whilst we coped.
Then the voting was all over, and the proclamation read.
The women of the country felt they might as well be dead.
Our rights had just been decimated to placate the whims of men,
Nic knew what she had bloody done, but she didn’t want to ken.

Then, like an angel from above, the heroine of this piece
floated from the sky, on clouds of silk and fluffy geese.
She floated through the air, like a sky nymph wrapped in love,
surrounded on her journey by a pitying of turtle doves.
They gently placed her…

What do you mean it didn’t happen quite like this?
This is my re-telling of that moment of historic bliss.
Can’t I have my fantasy of how it all played out?
Shit! Imagine if the history books believed me without doubt!
OK! Ignore that bit. Scrub from ‘Then like an angel from above’.
So back on with the true version of my historic merkin love…

After the Bill was passed, and in a fit of pique,
Elaine Miller, she decided, that she just had to speak.
And as she finished speaking, she lifted up her skirt,
and the merkin of this tale proved to be an extrovert.
It flashed itself to Parliament, and to a recording phone.
Then, it hit the world stage, and now it sits upon its throne.

A piece of women’s history was sealed in that moment.
A highlight in the misery. A most wonderful bestowment
to those who’ll pass the story on to future generations.
“The Merkin Lady raised her skirt, to save you from privations.
She stood up for her rights, and what she knew to be so true,
to make the world a better place for every one of you.”

And so now the Merkin Lady holds a spot within my heart.
She makes a smile appear, for what she did was like fine art.

Screams

“I LOVE YOU ELAINE!”

(The stalker vibes emanating off me are purely coincidental. Honest!)

Boiledbeetle

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/AsJyEiQlEkU?si=2lezOPiMQzOYc0hr

SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 18:11

Rachel Levine
Sam Brinton
Sarah McBride

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FlowerUser · 21/04/2025 18:21

Lizzie Potts accused of misgendering a dog.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-curious-incident-of-the-dog-and-the-tribunal/

GreenFriedTomato · 21/04/2025 18:32

@Boiledbeetle I'd never heard of that but it's fucking brilliant! How many wouldn't have realised it was a merkin 😂

Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 18:41

GreenFriedTomato · 21/04/2025 18:32

@Boiledbeetle I'd never heard of that but it's fucking brilliant! How many wouldn't have realised it was a merkin 😂

There were a lot of people, mainly men, that assumed she had in fact flashed her actual minge!!

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/04/2025 18:47

The Scottish Government appointing a man (Jason Grant) as their first Period Dignity Officer.

That was a really low point for me.

SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:01

Guidance for schools etc not not to address children as ‘boys and girls’

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SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:03

The archives of this topic in mumsnet must have a lot more recorded

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Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 19:13

SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:03

The archives of this topic in mumsnet must have a lot more recorded

And if the mumsnet servers ever go up in a puff of smoke I'm sure Aston University scraped a decent amount in order for the PhD student to do her PhD in the alleged terrible transphobia in Mumsnet!

Another low point - this one generated Tshirts!!

( https://grimut-gerbils.teemill.com/ )

Memories of the last few years of madness
SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 19:16

Have we had ‘Veronica Ivy’ (or whichever name she used at the time) telling a presenter, I think on the today programme, that she wasn’t ’born a man’ because men were adults and clearly therefore she could not have been born a man?

ArchibaldBoyd · 21/04/2025 19:25

Asda and their "love has no age" oops we didn't read the detail campaign.

lcakethereforeIam · 21/04/2025 19:49

ArchibaldBoyd · 21/04/2025 19:25

Asda and their "love has no age" oops we didn't read the detail campaign.

You've reminded me, I saw an ad with that slogan on the side bar of MN just yesterday. I stared at it in disbelief for a moment and it refreshed onto something else before I could record it. A picture of a dark-haired girl or young woman in red with that slogan. No idea who or what it was advertising. I've been looking at site stuff but no reports and I've not seen it again. Possibly a zombie ad. from a tin-earred campaign? Anyway, apologies, enough of the derail.

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 19:52

dapsnotplimsolls · 20/04/2025 18:28

Dawn Butler threatening us with the Rozzers.

Was it Dawn Butler who posted a Twitter poll along the lines of ‘who would you trust most’ and got convincingly trounced? It was one of the female Labour MPs but I can’t remember if it was definitely her.

And I think she also said babies are born without a sex, and 90% of giraffes are gay.

in a happier memory, the Miller vs College of Policing court case was good. And live-streamed as I remember from the Court of Appeal?

CriticalCondition · 21/04/2025 19:59

TheLongRider · 21/04/2025 12:40

On the good side, there are some great articles that exposed the madness. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" by Barra Kerr from 2019 on the Fair Play for Women website. Also one that I can't find that memorably described the struggle against "Be kind" and the "What is a woman" shite with the exhortation to "Pullllll!" the meanings of words to their rightful place as evidenced in the SC judgment. If anyone can find the second article I'd be grateful.

This one?

https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

owl

The Annals of the TERF-Wars

So, yesterday this turned up in my feed, which struck me as something of an, um, mispresentation… and somehow, I ended up writing my own version of how this whole thing went down… &nbsp…

https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 20:03

When Millwall cancelled a ‘Let Women Speak’ event (or maybe Women’s Place) because of security issues.

ValerieDoonican · 21/04/2025 20:03

Appalonia · 20/04/2025 18:22

I don't think I can bear to revisit them right now tbh. It still feels too raw, all the gaslighting and lack of regard for women and girls. At times, reading about it all over the years made me utterly depressed, hopeless and angry. The reaction to the utterly sane and sensible judgement by the SC from much of the media and the TRAs indicates that there's going to be a massive pushback ( a bit like when a woman is leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time ), so although I was elated and crying with joy and relief on Weds, I feel a bit more despondent now.

But, that's just me. I want a bloody reckoning from all those pp and institutions that didn't listen to our genuine concerns and spouted utter nonsense for YEARS. I want an apology and I want change. We came SO CLOSE to losing our rights as women, I find it chilling and it's not over yet.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, enjoy the ridiculousness of it all, I'm just not quite there yet...x

I'm afraid I feel the same. Seen too many posts on social media frothing with generalised outrage, yet not specifying exactly what is so awful because they haven't actually read and understood the judgement and are just assuming it's tantamount to sentencing trans people to some dreadful unjust fate obviously everyone agrees "it's awful" so no need to explain

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 20:04

‘Karen White’. He should have peaked the nation and was way earlier than Isla Bryson.

HesSoBadHesGood · 21/04/2025 20:18

in a happier memory, the Miller vs College of Policing court case was good. And live-streamed as I remember from the Court of Appeal?

That is indeed a happy memory. But instructive to a cynic like me. The College of Policing was told to scrap NCHI. Did they? Did they heck. Still going on despite Harry's expensive win. Is that what is going to happen with the recent SC clarification?

The NHS, Police, Government-- have they said ANYTHING about complying with SC finding? Or have they doubled down by sending out notices to staff reinforcing their support for their T staff?

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

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