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Is anyone else surprised that so-called feminists still think that TWAW?

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AnnaQuayInTheUk · 17/04/2025 18:37

Several friends who have been quite pro TWAW in the past are today posting all over social media that they are devastated by yesterday's ruling, that they are Trans Allies, that TERFs should be truly ashamed etc etc.

These are women who also describe themselves as feminists. I thought they'd be lying low today, or maybe even giving a measured response to the ruling, but it seems to have triggered them into an extreme of Trans allyship.

I'm having to hold myself back from.descending into a slanging match with them.

Is it possible to be a feminist and believe that TWAW or should you stop claiming that title if you won't accept the SC ruling?

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FriedGold32 · 19/04/2025 13:25

A lot of it is simple political tribalism, you have to accept all the mantras of your team lest ye be cast out.

However I think who you see in your head when you think about it is so important. When you're deep in this topic and you know what the names Katie Dolatowski, Karen White, Abbie Tarling, Andrew Miller, Lexi Secker etc etc etc all represent, then you'll have a different perspective from someone who doesn't have these stories fed into their algorithm and just think it's basically all about stopping Hayley Cropper from having a wee.

Arty Morty made a good video about this a few years ago.

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LlynTegid · 19/04/2025 16:36

thevassal · 18/04/2025 13:12

I follow a feminist book club (as in that is it's specific focus, the name is literally X feminist bookclub), which today posted that, while they want to be as inclusive as possible, women who don't stand in solidarity with their trans 'sisters' cannot be part of the club.

I wouldn't have minded if they'd said 'trans women will still be welcome at the book club so if you are unhappy with their presence/can't be courteous and respectful please don't attend,' (as far as I understand it the ruling means transwomen CAN be excluded from female-only places if it is a relevant exemption under the EA, not that every single place, event, organisation etc. aimed at women MUST exclude them) - but going as far to say that if you don't completely agree with us that TWAW, no ifs and buts, no debate, you aren't welcome, regardless of whether any trans women are there or not, seems quite extreme.

To have a female-focussed group deciding that they would prefer to exclude biological women in order to include men, is...a choice

No one takes their clothes off in a book club. It is not a contact sport. No medical procedures.

So if I belonged to one, I could not care less who attends. Whereas were I to play hockey or cricket or rugby, it does matter.

Notaflippinclue · 19/04/2025 16:42

I’m a feminist (very old school) and a terf I’m sure there are tons of us

porridgecake · 19/04/2025 16:59

LlynTegid · 19/04/2025 16:36

No one takes their clothes off in a book club. It is not a contact sport. No medical procedures.

So if I belonged to one, I could not care less who attends. Whereas were I to play hockey or cricket or rugby, it does matter.

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I think it does affect the dynamics though.
There are plenty of women who just enjoy being in a female group and will actively look for one that is advertised as a women's group.
Like the WI now including males. OK if they have decided to do that, but they can't call it the WI, they will have to change the name.
I seem to remember some years ago when TW began to take over knitting and crafting groups and they became rather unpleasant places for women.

LonginesPrime · 19/04/2025 17:14

porridgecake · 19/04/2025 16:59

I think it does affect the dynamics though.
There are plenty of women who just enjoy being in a female group and will actively look for one that is advertised as a women's group.
Like the WI now including males. OK if they have decided to do that, but they can't call it the WI, they will have to change the name.
I seem to remember some years ago when TW began to take over knitting and crafting groups and they became rather unpleasant places for women.

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I agree.

i think for women who genuinely believe TWAW, then having a TW join their female book group might not make a difference to them, but for GC women who don’t personally view that person as a woman like any other but as a biological male, it’s really stressful to have to keep up the pretence, and the change in dynamic is obvious to those women.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/04/2025 18:31

LonginesPrime · 19/04/2025 17:14

I agree.

i think for women who genuinely believe TWAW, then having a TW join their female book group might not make a difference to them, but for GC women who don’t personally view that person as a woman like any other but as a biological male, it’s really stressful to have to keep up the pretence, and the change in dynamic is obvious to those women.

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Not to mention the “trans” women mansplaining & dominating the conversation

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 18:32

LonginesPrime · 19/04/2025 17:14

I agree.

i think for women who genuinely believe TWAW, then having a TW join their female book group might not make a difference to them, but for GC women who don’t personally view that person as a woman like any other but as a biological male, it’s really stressful to have to keep up the pretence, and the change in dynamic is obvious to those women.

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Yes, that is an excellent point.

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