Is anyone else surprised that so-called feminists still think that TWAW?

[AnnaQuayInTheUk]

Several friends who have been quite pro TWAW in the past are today posting all over social media that they are devastated by yesterday's ruling, that they are Trans Allies, that TERFs should be truly ashamed etc etc.

These are women who also describe themselves as feminists. I thought they'd be lying low today, or maybe even giving a measured response to the ruling, but it seems to have triggered them into an extreme of Trans allyship.

I'm having to hold myself back from.descending into a slanging match with them.

Is it possible to be a feminist and believe that TWAW or should you stop claiming that title if you won't accept the SC ruling?

I've got an ex colleague on fb spouting this. She was very into the lgbt stuff when we worked together which was fine and called herself non binary although had boyfriends. She had MH problems so I could see where it originated. She is now full on TWAW and TMAM. She is ranting, I've hidden her posts as I know no good will come of saying anything. When the penny eventually drops she will cringe I'm sure.

Trans feminist.

I like that.

On the opposite side to feminism.

I think the ideal solution to this would actually be mixed wards - but only for those who didn't want to be on a male-only or female-only ward. It will never happen of course, because the NHS is struggling enough as it is, and you're lucky to get onto a ward of any kind rather than left in reception or in a corridor.

I’ve really struggled with my Facebook feed today. A lot of my female feminist friends are posting TWAW statuses and how it’s a step backwards for trans rights. I’ve kept quiet because I’m never going to be able to convince them that the ruling was about stopping the erosion of women’s rights and not about reducing trans rights. Call me a coward but it’s not a conversation I could have with a group of people who will just claim I’m a bigot.

One post on the Threads app pissed me off. A trans woman flouted the rules by taking their picture in a single sex changing room and I want to scream at all the people congratulating them on their little coup. It’s not what the ruling was about but at the same time it is. Whilst the majority of people wouldn’t give a damn about this TW being in the changing room, it’s precisely this behaviour of people going out of their way to insert themselves where they don’t necessarily belong in order to piss women off and undermine women’s rights that meant FWS took on the challenge.

The thing that surprises me is that they’re essentially pushing for transmen to be denied maternity rights (which would have been the consequence of this judgment going the other way).

Such a weird thing to be ok with if you want to show support to the trans community.

Because it’s not about the transmen, is it? I remember discussing this with a TWAW spouting colleague. She stated that if TW were to go to prison then they should go to a female prison. I asked if she felt the same about TM. Obviously not because it put the TM at risk of rape and assault from the male prison populace. She didn't get the irony

Stockholm syndrome.

Gosh @Lovelyview that must be tough.

I LOVE the term TransFeminist! Completely sums it up.

Ok, maybe I am naive but the performative Allyship is driving me nuts today. I'm relieved I'm not the only one.

I'm also seeing a number of women of whom I might have expected better rushing to be seen to massage the wounded feelings of thwarted men on social media. It's a little irritating, but, as they say on clickbait posts, I'll wait.

I have just put the ITV news on and switched it straight off again. Lying is apparently fine and it is perfectly ok to spread misinformation.

I’ve already seen some extraordinary mental contortions and bad faith interpretations of the judgement. I guess the DEI industry is panicking that the grift is up

I had stepped off social media and particularly anything around the trans subject. Tentatively put a toe back in today and was immediately reunited with the utter vitriol from the TWAW crowd.

I have had a couple of “this is interesting” texts from friends, which I think is how a lot of women are trying to very subtly say they’re GC, when they wouldn’t even have dared to say it subtly before!

Because believe it or not, not all feminists get off on bullying a tiny minority of already marginalised and vulnerable people.

Sounds like your friends actually have something called empathy for people different to them.

I think it’s interesting which of my friends and acquaintances HAVEN’T posted TWAW content. I think it’s because they privately disagree but for whatever reason don’t feel they can say so online.

That's exactly what the ruling will do. Everything will be mixed gender because nobody will want have to decide who is and isn't trans or risk being sued for letting in the wrong person. Well done everyone!

You must all be very proud to share the same viewpoint as Trump's supporters.

I'm steering clear of certain "friends" until after Easter.

The internalised misogyny remains strong. As does the need to signal one’s virtue.

So tiresome but they’re best left to it, poor things.

If you cheerlead for something that is inherently harmful to women then you are not a feminist. If you believe people can change sex then you are not a feminist.

In my experience the women who spout TWAW know damn well that’s not true, but they don’t actually like women that much, so anything that curries favour with men against other women is a win for them. This isn’t a new phenomenon, there were plenty of women who actively campaigned against the suffrage movement.

I always think the women who pander to men are going to pander to them whether they’re in a dress or slacks. The pick-me-est of pick-mes.

‘They're not feminists. They've co-opted 'brand feminism' to show they are Not Like Other Girls.’

This is spot on, it’s competitive behaviour in the hope that the men will pick them over women who can think for themselves and have opinions.

They're not men, they're trans women. Why are you so hateful towards tiny minorities who are already vulnerable?

@LadyBracknellsHandbagg that's a good point.

I remember being very surprised years ago when a colleague told me he was a member of the Conservative party. I'm a social worker and couldn't get my head round the fact that a fellow social worker was right wing.

It's a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas

I have only had one old friend post about the need to support trans because of the ruling. I guess they have just gone along with “be kind” and never realised that Stonewall law was not real law. I’m hoping it’ll calm down after the initial surprise.