Is anyone else surprised that so-called feminists still think that TWAW?

[AnnaQuayInTheUk]

Several friends who have been quite pro TWAW in the past are today posting all over social media that they are devastated by yesterday's ruling, that they are Trans Allies, that TERFs should be truly ashamed etc etc.

These are women who also describe themselves as feminists. I thought they'd be lying low today, or maybe even giving a measured response to the ruling, but it seems to have triggered them into an extreme of Trans allyship.

I'm having to hold myself back from.descending into a slanging match with them.

Is it possible to be a feminist and believe that TWAW or should you stop claiming that title if you won't accept the SC ruling?

"99% of sex offenders are male"

And how many of those men do you think are cis as opposed to trans? Trans women are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators.

Oh boo fucking hoo, if acknowledging reality makes peoples life harder, so be it.

Trans women are men.

This is a simple fact, it’s neither bullying nor hate.
I agree you’re wasting your time arguing, though.
You’ve come to the battle of wits unarmed.

I’m after gay people, and one of my first thoughts when I heard this ruling was that perhaps lesbian venues will be allowed to exist again now.

I think TWAW feminists have a lot on common with trans women, and become default allies.

You cannot put on a dress and become a woman. You cannot be a feminist whilst approving of men eroding women’s rights and safety.

They are both pretending to be something that they’re not, hence the shared experience.

Bless, you think the right wing will stop at Trans people

Same sex attracted people you say? Adult human males who are attracted to other adult human males and adult human females who are attracted to other adult human females? No one on here has any issue with adult humans of either sex hooking up with who they want, gay, straight, bi. It’s all good. Biological sex defines sexuality doncha know! Sex as defined by law. .

Trans women’s level of offending is actually proportionally higher than the general male population, I believe?

I assume that question is aimed at me? I do know one of her friends who ids as non-binary. I knew her as a she so pronouns are tricky. For some reason it's easy to remember a new name but not to call a she they/them. But dd also misgenders her by mistake because it's completely counter intuitive. The rest of them are uni friends who I haven't met. It's interesting that a fellow student who is a trans man got to share accommodation with my daughter on a field trip - because of course females share accommodation.

Do you not realise that some of the most vocal and active GC women are lesbians?
These are women who object to being called transphobic because they... shock horror...don't want to be in a lesbian only space or a relationship with a biological male. 95% of TW still have a penis, yet lesbians are being called transphobic because they won't accept that the penis owner is a woman.

How are they marginalised? What does this mean in practice?

I agree they are vulnerable, especially to terrible long-term health problems as a result of putting a load of drugs in their bodies that shouldn’t be there.

They'll regret it when the right wing turns on them next. Or do they think they'll stop at Trans people?

You just said transwomen aren't men. You are contradicting yourself.

I really don't understand what you mean.

I didn't vote for nor do I support Trump. I agree with him on the gender issue: men cannot become women and they need to stay out of women's spaces and sports and that gender affirming care is child abuse.

I doubt I agree with Trump on much more. Maybe he likes sugar and cream in his coffee. We might share that. Or cinnamon rolls. I bet he likes them too.

Good goddess, does sweet coffee and rolls make me a MAGA Hat wearing Trumper? I wish I'd known! Red is not a good color on me. I might be doomed.

For one it means constantly being attacked verbally and physically when they're just trying to go about their business. No doubt things will get worse now people are emboldened by this ruling.

Are you in America? There are very few people in the uk who are trying to take away gay rights. And no-one on this board is. A number of gay rights organisations gave evidence that the definition of woman is important in uk law because lesbians in particular were in danger of not being able to exclude men from their events & dating apps, etc. The Supreme Court judgement specifically addressed this issue.

Absolutely not true. You need to bring your understanding up to speed with facts.

There is no evidence that trans women offend at a lower rate than other men, and there is in fact evidence to the contrary. The stats suggest that trans identified males in prison are MORE likely to have been convicted of sex offences than non-trans identified men.

Women are demonstrably NOT at lower risk from transwomen than other men. And let’s not forget that trans identified males pushing boundaries by entering women’s single sex spaces makes it easier for other men to also access those spaces.

If transwomen are at more risk in male spaces (which is moot), then that is a problem for men to solve, not women.

I’d still like you to explain why you’re happy for women to be raped so that men don’t have to suffer hurt feelings. Why is that?

Not at the moment because they're focused on rolling back the clock for Trans people. The rest of the LGBTQ+ community will be next. JK Rowling has already seemingly started ranting about asexual people now.

It's like a bingo card on here tonight! What's the prize?

Can you please provide examples of the physical attacks? I certainly hope no one is physically assaulting transwomen as a result of this ruling. Have you heard of anything? If yes, please share as I hope the police can be called.

Or maybe point out the inconsistency in her position. Exactly why are TWs women?

This simply doesn’t happen. Stop your nonsense.

Not read this thread just popped up to say there are feminists and the other lot who are FEMMENISTS

Trans people are 0.5% so regardless of how you spin the statistics women are far more likely to be raped by cis men and if men are pretending to be trans women to get to women then that's a cis man problem, not a trans women problem.

It’s a male problem, and trans women are male.