Division of State and Church in respect to gender

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Galatians 3:28

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Read full chapter is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gospel of Thomas, Saying 22

22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom."
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

I am not interested in your answer to the question of whether you believe the above two passages support or do not support being non-binary or transgender. People will always disagree over how to interpret religious texts.

Many non-binary and transgender individuals do however consider how they identify their gender , to be an expression of their religious/ spiritual beliefs.The above two passages are just two examples from Christian religious texts that can be interpreted as non-binary and transgender identities being expressions of religious/ spiritual teachings.

My question therefore is:

Does defining gender as having to be either male or female under law therefore violate the separation of church and state?

You’d need to check his pronouns first, @withthegreatestrespect.

For myself I see the term 'catholic' as both indicating reform and also a church which accepts a wide range of worship.

In its context within the Nicene Creed it is definitely not reform but rather all the different churches that held together in unity over the doctrine as laid out in the creed, as opposed to the various heresies that had developed in the early church. So the catholic Church is the universal church that accepts these truths - ie churches from across southern Europe, North Africa, and Middle East,.

Sorry, about 50 years too late to be eligible to offer.

Anyway, surely all the stuff pink snake said in them's post just means that, if you subscribe to Christianity, life on Earth is shit for women, (cos God said so) but in the afterlife, we're all humans, all equal?

Like most religions, it doesn't seem to be an attractive one for women, from my male perspective.

I'm not too sure the pink snake's take on Christianity is accepted in the whole of the catholic Church.

More info than I needed, but thanks anyway😘

Every now and then I fall apart...

And we are back to the cat cult ...

What more does the Goddess @ThisPinkWyvern want from us?

Has anyone checked the pink snake’s pronouns?

The requirements of Empress Kitty’s cult (my cat is called Empress Kitty) are very simple. She merely demands neck rubs and Dreamies from her worshippers.

Has anyone checked the pink snake’s pronouns?

She's pink therefore she's ma'am

Not so fast. Pink is talking about historical issues and until last century pink was very definitely as masculine colour.

Yup. Red is a manly colour associated with pre-camoflage military uniforms and fox hunting. Pink is red-lite, an appropriate "training wheels" form of red for a small boy.

Blue was associated with the Virgin Mary and so deemed an aspirational colour to dress girls in.

Pink is what you get if you mix in blood - for example ‘Suffolk pink’ houses were pink from a mix of limewash and ox blood. So I guess a reason for red and pink on the battlefield.

Thank you. I learn so much on Mumsnet. I was only going for a riff on I'm pink therefore I'm spam😂

@EmpressaurusKitty

It's John Cooper Clarke - Psycle Psluts

I don't want to check anything about any poster's pink snake. 🤮

A wyvern is a heraldic snake. Just a observation.

Great post.

People can believe whatever feels true to them, including that god has determined what men and women should wear (the Deuteronomy passage) or that gender is something that god sees as fluid (this is how I understand the OP's interpretation).

Thankfully the church and state in England have recognised that it's not fair or viable to mandate belief in god any more so it's all a bit of a moot point in a society that has multiple faiths and atheism.

Hopefully the UK will catch up with the US on how gender identity belief is managed in public matters and a) sort out our own messy law (the GRA) that muddles up the reality of sex with the belief that we all have a gendered soul, thus enforcing the latter and b) the interpretation, when convenient, that the EA is referring to self-IDd "gender" for the PC of sex. Until that's clear, far too many people will remain understandably too scared to speak up about the impact of gender identity belief being enforced on society as fact.

If anyone needs a good chuckle and hasn't seen it yet, it's worth Googling "Total Eclipse of the Heart literal version".

And on the topic of the thread, thank you to the Christian posters who have explained their take on the information in the OP.

It's interesting to learn about beliefs that I don't hold from the perspective of those who do, including gender identity belief - the fact that there is no official "truth" about life, the universe and everything is what makes it all interesting (obviously it goes beyond being interesting and quickly into harmful impacts when/if a belief becomes something we are expected to accommodate as fact).

Brilliant.

Not that funny. The established church in England assumes that God is head of the church. The sovereign is Supreme Governor. Not a matter of belief but of law.

This is why the monarch cannot marry a Roman Catholic - because a Roman Catholic monarch would mean the Pope would be the head of the church and state.

Nutter

God would still be the head of the church.

😂😂

But the Pope would be his earthly representative rather than the King.