Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Jesus Christ…the ENTIRE point is IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM EASY ACCESS!!

It is NO EASIER for a man to attack a women in the women’s toilets if he is dressed as a woman. All a man needs to attack a woman in a woman’s toilet is for her to be alone. That’s literally it. You think if he’s dressed as a woman and the women says “Hey you shouldn’t be in here! You’re a man in a dress!”, that he responds, “Oh yeah fair enough” & leaves?

The fact that they’re men is relevant, and that’s what is being focused on.

‘You type a lot without saying a lot! This is a forum, you should try to make a point or ask a question without sounding like a student trying to meet a word count’

Touche.

Why are you so fixated on what these men are wearing?

Why are you shouting? Most women don't want to share female only spaces with men. That's the simple truth.

Ah we’re at the men will attack women anyway so something something stop worrying about TW in women’s toilets you raving bigots/silly mummies stage

(I assume btw we’re also at the ‘number of women it’s acceptable to be attacked in toilets by TW is n+1 so long as men aren’t told no’ stage as well? )

No what’s being focused on is whether that man is in a dress or mens clothes…which actually is irrelevant.

Women “almost never” attack other women in bathrooms and that also “isn’t never”. Individual toilets keep everyone safe. Saying trans women shouldn’t use women’s toilet blocks keeps literally no one safe. If a man tries to rape a women in a toilet block by wearing a dress to gain entry and doesn’t manage it, he can just try again dressed as a man because men dressed as men attacking women in women’s toilets happens literally every single day. Men dressed as women attacking women in women’s toilets happens very, very rarely. Literally almost never. Focusing on the clothing of the attacker is a waste of time.

such transphobia in this thread - suggesting that a man needs to wear stereotypical female clothes in order to be a woman

I'm interested in what you would suggest to ACTUALLY keep us safe in the toilet context being discussed. I'm interested in what your starting point would be?

Focusing on the clothing of the attacker is a waste of time.

No one apart from you is doing this. We don't want any men in women's spaces.

‘Instead, GNC women are being accused of being men accessing women's spaces, so how is that the fault of TRAs?’

One GNC woman has been accused of being a man, why so much exaggeration and hyperbole?

I don’t know what you’re going to do when you find out how many women have been hounded out of their jobs for stating basic biological facts, I am expecting as much outrage from you as you are currently displaying on here. I fear I may be disappointed.

Facts not in evidence.
Please present workings to your claim.

Here are the stats for 2023-2024

Please feel free to provide evidence that males who ID as transgender are less of a risk than other males:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-offender-equalities-annual-report-2023-to-2024/hmpps-offender-equalities-report-202324#:~:text=Based%20on%20this%20exercise%2C%20there,population%20over%20the%20same%20period.

The men who call themselves women and on that basis decide to impose themselves on women's spaces are already demonstrating elevated risk compared to other men by the fact that they're wilfully disregarding women's and girls' boundaries for their own selfish desires.

Trans identified men offend at exactly the same rate as men, because they ARE men.

I don’t know what you’re focused on, but most on here are focused on keeping men out of women’s spaces, however they dress.

If men who say they’re women are let in, it normalises men - however they present (thanks, Stonewall)- being in those spaces, with all the risk that entails.

You really want me to give the statistics on how many cis gendered men there are in the country compared to transgendered women? Here’s a starting point…think how many men you’ve met in your life and compare that to how many trans women you know.

I don’t think she did. What she said was:

Please feel free to provide evidence that males who ID as transgender are less of a risk than other males:

I don't know how you lot can bear it with posters like LucyMonth
i really don't...

It's like banging your head against a brick wall 😂

as always I’m genuinely baffled why some women are so desperate for men larping as women to invade women’s spaces

is it really so impossible to visualise saying “no you can’t” to men

Exactly this. It's a red flag to disregard women's boundaries.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjn8770wlo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqjn8770wlo.amp

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24183323.police-appeal-serious-assault-bournemouth-public-toilets/

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-47008903" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47008903.amp

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-02-21/man-who-said-he-identified-as-female-sexually-assaulted-woman-in-station-toilet

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tesco-police-rape-sheerness-b2622758.html

This is why women need toilets to stay single sex. This is why women on on the alert for men in their single sex spaces.

If anyone asked me if I were a man I would laugh, say no and then get on with my day

She does look like a dude though, I'd be questioning that too!

They're not being policed for not being feminine enough but because women think they're men. Women are increasingly concerned about men accessing women only areas because...TRAmen are accessing women only areas. We're not seeing increasing incidents of women being mistaken for transwomen because we recognise a transwomen when we see one and know the difference.

And why do women think they're men? There hasn't been one reason given except them not confirming to feminine beauty standards. If you can do easily clock a transwoman, surely you can recognise a GNC woman? That was the query in OPs post, if can always tell why does this happen to GNC women so regularly?

I'm not getting at you for using the currently accepted term, but why is it considered correct to write "Black woman" rather than, say, "black Woman"? Is "Black" a more important descriptor than "woman"? I'm maybe a bit sensitive to capitalisation - I find it really distracting.