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Stonewall loss of jobs and funding after US aid cuts

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Cismyfatarse · 23/02/2025 22:21

Who knew they were funded via the US government? Not me.

Trump aid freeze ‘may force Stonewall to cut up to half of staff’

www.thetimes.com/article/62cb4fe0-1d91-43f5-a364-bc539eb3234f?shareToken=28cd28f7a1e212f58fca18b4f8ff68b7

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IwantToRetire · 24/02/2025 00:08

It's funny how a lot of western countries think their own charities are best placed to support people in other countries rather than directly funding a local based charity or helpline.

However the article makes clear the US wasn't directly funding Stonewall but the US was contributing money along with other countries ie "Funding from the US came to Stonewall through the Global Equality Fund (GEF), administered by the US state department, which has given the charity more than half a million pounds in the past three years. The GEF focuses on “advancing LGBTI rights around the world” and is a pooled fund with contributions from numerous countries and private businesses, but it has not published accounts since 2015."

Although of course it maybe that the US gives the lion share to this GEF which is why Stonewall is sounding the alarm, or that it is administered by the a US state department which means if they implement Trump guidelines the whole fund should close! List in wikipedia as to which other countries contribute to this fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Equality_Fund

But this example gives the possibility that other funding routes might be exposed by the Trump administration clamp down. (Not forgetting that women in some African countries have lost life saving medicine because of this cutting of aid.)

The problem with funding is that funders always assume the larger more corporate charities are the best us of money, rather than say distributing "seed money" to small locally placed groups.

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2025 00:14

ClarenceH · 23/02/2025 23:40

Have read the article but can't see where it says the charity are getting money from British taxes?

Stonewall income from UK government sources in 2023-24 was £618,757.

Seemingly, this is entirely separate from the fees derived from the Diversity Champions scheme paid by various public sector bodies.

Source: briefing note from the TaxPayers' Alliance
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/briefing_taxpayer_funding_of_stonewall#:~:text=Stonewall's%20total%20income%20from%20government,includes%20the%20Diversity%20Champions%20scheme).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2025 01:02

But...but...I thought the terfs were the ones receiving American money? Although I am still waiting for mine. Don't suppose I'll see it now😢

Curse you, Trump and Elon Musk!

Grin
CrocsNotDocs · 24/02/2025 03:13

Oh no. I’m crying. With laughter.

Username65 · 24/02/2025 06:20

Cismyfatarse · 23/02/2025 22:39

I like this comment from Kate Harris.

Thanks OP, it’s a great comment - thanks for the screenshot because I think it’s since been complained about and deleted! One of those named, perhaps?

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 06:43

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2025 00:14

Stonewall income from UK government sources in 2023-24 was £618,757.

Seemingly, this is entirely separate from the fees derived from the Diversity Champions scheme paid by various public sector bodies.

Source: briefing note from the TaxPayers' Alliance
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/briefing_taxpayer_funding_of_stonewall#:~:text=Stonewall's%20total%20income%20from%20government,includes%20the%20Diversity%20Champions%20scheme).

I have to say it irritates me greatly that my local council closed all the public toilets to save money but then pisses thousands away as members of stonewalls diversity champions scheme.

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Taytoface · 24/02/2025 07:18

I'm sorry, but I can't celebrate this. The work outlined in the paper sounds both worthy and necessary. Advancing the rights of LGB and even T people in countries where they don't have equal rights is what they should have been doing instead of insisting that men can become women, and not only women, but the most vulnerable women in the land.

And now, because of this madness genuinely vulnerable people will suffer. This makes me sad, not jubilant.

GriefSubmittedHighways · 24/02/2025 07:23

I can't feel any glee if Stonewall is at risk of going under, if it really is true that it is doing good work in countries where LGB people (and T for that matter) are facing persecution and marginalisation.
But what a strange funding ecosystem, where the US is giving money to a global entity which gives money to a UK entity to support people in central Europe.
It is hard to avoid thinking that it is the strange money tides and currents, rather than truly evidence-based assessments of need, that dictate policy in this ecosystem. Presumably that is part of the reason why a once-great organisation like Stonewall got itself in such a tangle.
Stonewall, too, is a victim in all this. Really, it is Patient Zero - the first organisation to succumb to the parasitising nature of transactivism. I feel like mourning it for what it was, rather than celebrating the current difficulties. Especially given that the trump funding cuts are also causing catastrophic problems for much-needed and valuable aid initiatives in other areas.

GriefSubmittedHighways · 24/02/2025 07:25

Cross-post, @Taytoface ! You said it more concisely!

Taytoface · 24/02/2025 07:33

Cheers @GriefSubmittedHighways . The international aid scene is very interesting.

Some of it supports vital humanitarian and genuinely interesting cultural work. Some of it, if I was an American citizen, I would be scratching my head and why my tax dollars were being spent on musicals in other countries.

I am not sure I agree that Stonewall was parasitised by the trans movement. I think they have more culpability than this. They saw that with gay marriage secured, they would struggle to compete for grants and donations. They could have gone more heavily into work overseas, but instead they chose to ride the trans bandwagon to generate income in the UK. And that is how we ended up with the hideousness of the diversity champion scheme.

I wonder will the likes of Ruth Hunt ever admit this to herself.

CarefulN0w · 24/02/2025 07:36

Fenlandia · 23/02/2025 23:12

I'm as confused as some of the commenters on the article - 230k from this US fund in most recent annual accounts but might to lose up to half of their 114 staff? Even if it was say only 30-40 staff that's a big chunk of the charity gone?

My guess would be that funding has fallen substantially across multiple streams but they would prefer to blame Trump/the US government than admit their credibility is shot.

It's not only Government Depts that have abandoned the diversity champions scheme. Commercial companies large and small are stepping away and will continue to do so.

It's very sad given the positive work they have done over the years that they have abandoned L and G and ended up as a bullying force for the T.

Kendodd · 24/02/2025 07:45

I suspect even without the T organisations that just support gay rights will be cut by Trump/Musk.
What did Stonewall even do with all those staff?

GriefSubmittedHighways · 24/02/2025 07:51

Re the strange currents of aid/funding, I used to work for a small local third-sector organisation whose nominal function was to support other third-sector organisations by helping them build up their skills and infrastructure.

All that my boss ever did was work out how to source govt funding by making bids and proposals that seemed to match the funding criteria. Then we faffed around doing unneeded and unhelpful stuff that delivered on the details of the funding agreement without actually responding to any organically expressed need.

The charities/voluntary groups in my location hated us, because we were just an additional layer that absorbed funding that they felt should have come directly to them.

From the govt's point of view, I think we only existed to make Cameron's 'Big Society' initiative look as if it was sincere. From our own point of view, we existed in order to exist - i.e. to attract the funding that paid our costs. Was horrible.

Hoardasurass · 24/02/2025 08:13

mrshoho · 23/02/2025 23:10

The Stonewall gravy train is coming to an end. Good! It was already in the shit as their fees revenue dropped and will continue to as more companies and institutions distance and drop .their DEI champions bollocks.

I do feel for the poor emotional support animals that may face redundancy though. I hope someone is thinking of them.

Stonewall will hopefully undergo a rebirth of some sort.

Have they not also got to face Alison Bailey in crt again

RedToothBrush · 24/02/2025 08:17

Well Stonewall ALREADY were on track for a massive staff cut as they were ALREADY in financial trouble.

Stonewall were clearly no longer about the people they were supposed to represent and had ceased to be a grassroots organisation there more for the benefit of its own staff than anyone else.

RedToothBrush · 24/02/2025 08:18

CarefulN0w · 24/02/2025 07:36

My guess would be that funding has fallen substantially across multiple streams but they would prefer to blame Trump/the US government than admit their credibility is shot.

It's not only Government Depts that have abandoned the diversity champions scheme. Commercial companies large and small are stepping away and will continue to do so.

It's very sad given the positive work they have done over the years that they have abandoned L and G and ended up as a bullying force for the T.

This is accurate. I've been following this closely for a while.

Crouton19 · 24/02/2025 08:18

There is undoubtedly good work they could have been (and possibly have been) doing overseas to advance LGB acceptance. Wonder that we never hear about this (but are informed that X country is hostile to gay people so they come here for refuge). I've read however that there has been pushback in some african nations (and possibly elsewhere) on outsiders pushing LGBT matters where against the local culture, and it can be considered as another form of colonialism,* so perhaps the whole LGBT aid movement needs a rethink.

*which is odd if, as TRAs claim, the notion of two sexes was invented by white people 🙄

borntobequiet · 24/02/2025 08:32

ClarenceH · 23/02/2025 23:40

Have read the article but can't see where it says the charity are getting money from British taxes?

Presumably this

The amount brought in from public bodies also increased to more than £600,000.

borntobequiet · 24/02/2025 08:34

My guess would be that funding has fallen substantially across multiple streams but they would prefer to blame Trump/the US government than admit their credibility is shot.

That’s what I thought.

Merrymouse · 24/02/2025 08:35

CarefulN0w · 24/02/2025 07:36

My guess would be that funding has fallen substantially across multiple streams but they would prefer to blame Trump/the US government than admit their credibility is shot.

It's not only Government Depts that have abandoned the diversity champions scheme. Commercial companies large and small are stepping away and will continue to do so.

It's very sad given the positive work they have done over the years that they have abandoned L and G and ended up as a bullying force for the T.

Agree.

The funding also seems to be attached to a specific project, so I think would be 'reserved funds' and couldn't just be spent on general overheads.

The GEF funds Stonewall’s Alliance Against Hate Crime project in Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria, which the charity said worked to “improve support for victims of hate crime, and to advance dialogue with police and law enforcement stakeholders on adapting their systems and victim support to be more sensitive to the needs of the LGBTQ+ community”.

SionnachRuadh · 24/02/2025 08:44

I haven't laughed so hard since... well, since the other day when they defunded Rory Stewart's wife.

AlisonDonut · 24/02/2025 08:55

SionnachRuadh · 24/02/2025 08:44

I haven't laughed so hard since... well, since the other day when they defunded Rory Stewart's wife.

Ooh did they - fucking excellent.

SionnachRuadh · 24/02/2025 08:58

Rory was extremely annoyed that Trump had interrupted the funding that Mrs Rory needs to lecture Afghans about conceptual art.

NumberTheory · 24/02/2025 09:04

Stonewall seem to be trying to spin what is actually a failure on Stonewall’s part as being about Trump’s anti-DEI efforts.

GEF gave them £233k last year. That is not nearly enough money to fund the 50+ staff they are claiming they will need to lay off.

Stonewall are looking at large layoffs because of the cratering of support and a failure to face the reality of what that means in terms of money.

Stonewall’s income is down by £2M a year since 2018 (since which time costs have skyrocketed). They have lost far more from their donations (down over 20% just from 2023 to 2024) than they will from GEF. And even more from fees and program income which are both down by significant amounts. Over all their revenue is has plummeted over the last few years from about £8.7M in 2018 to £6.9 in 2024.

And as income has fallen, instead of adjusting services they have eaten through reserves. They had assets of nearly £5M in 2018. It was less than £1M in 2024.

If they continued to spend the way they have been they would become insolvent in the next year or so even if they had kept the GEF funding.