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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall loss of jobs and funding after US aid cuts

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Cismyfatarse · 23/02/2025 22:21

Who knew they were funded via the US government? Not me.

Trump aid freeze ‘may force Stonewall to cut up to half of staff’

www.thetimes.com/article/62cb4fe0-1d91-43f5-a364-bc539eb3234f?shareToken=28cd28f7a1e212f58fca18b4f8ff68b7

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PorcelinaV · 01/03/2025 10:24

Merrymouse · 26/02/2025 19:27

The Times says

"The GEF funds Stonewall’s Alliance Against Hate Crime project in Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria, which the charity said worked to “improve support for victims of hate crime, and to advance dialogue with police and law enforcement stakeholders on adapting their systems and victim support to be more sensitive to the needs of the LGBTQ+ community”. "

And we know that the entire amount is listed in their accounts as restricted, which means it can only be used for a specific project.

I think a PP said that this is work that they will have pitched for and the GEF could just as easily have chosen somebody else to do it.

From:

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/global/global-projects/tackling-hate-crime

The project has three main strands:

  1. Better, safer and more secure hate crime reporting and referral capabilities for LGBTI communities by creating online reporting platforms.
  2. Using the data collected through reporting platforms to support evidence-based advocacy for progressive reforms in hate crime policy, procedure and practice.
  3. Development and delivery of bespoke training to local law enforcement and other agencies which interact with victims of hate crime.

"Progressive reforms in hate crime policy", I'm guessing, could easily include pushing trans ideology.

AnSolas · 01/03/2025 10:59

PorcelinaV · 01/03/2025 10:24

From:

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/global/global-projects/tackling-hate-crime

The project has three main strands:

  1. Better, safer and more secure hate crime reporting and referral capabilities for LGBTI communities by creating online reporting platforms.
  2. Using the data collected through reporting platforms to support evidence-based advocacy for progressive reforms in hate crime policy, procedure and practice.
  3. Development and delivery of bespoke training to local law enforcement and other agencies which interact with victims of hate crime.

"Progressive reforms in hate crime policy", I'm guessing, could easily include pushing trans ideology.

Thats what they did in the UK

The local police had to tick a box if someone said they were trans.
To an argument over bins or parking moved from usual NDN crimes to hate crimes.
Same idea around not-a-crime-hate-crime that the UK police were recording.

And police were writing documents about school girls saying no and not wanting to be friends with boys, who were engaged in "criminal" activity.

This idea was also why misogyny was rejected when people said it should be classed as a hate crime.

MarieDeGournay · 01/03/2025 11:15

SionnachRuadh · 26/02/2025 19:25

The most sexist men I know are gay men. They don't believe they are, often they say they're feminist allies, but they are. They've got a social life where women barely appear, so women's concerns simply aren't on their radar.

Don't get me wrong, some gay men have a wonderful affinity for women, but the sexist dudebro element definitely exists and it isn't small.

We obviously, and fortunately for me, mix in very different circles!
Gay men are a mixed bunch, dudebros, nice guys, and in between, same as any group of humans, but one thing you can be sure of is that as a woman you are much safer in the company of a gay man than a straight man. You are less likely to be sexually harassed, attacked, or raped. If you are walking home late at night and you encounter a group of gay men, you'll probably get home safely. Some gay men may be rude or dismissive towards women - just like straight men - but that falls under the heading of 'sticks and stones..' - at least it's not going to escalate into sexual violence.

The fact that gay men have, as you say, a social life where women barely appear is great. Single sex spaces? yay! I'd love if us lesbians could have the same back again, and don't begrudge gay men their social spaces.

You say that because gay men socialise together, that 'women's concerns simply aren't on their radar' - socialising is socialising, not discussing social issues. 'Fuck politics, let's dance' as we used to say in my clubbing days😄
But gay men have sisters, mothers, grannies, colleagues, who are very much on their radar, so they do not live a life isolated from the other half of humanity just because they socialise together with other men.

Lots of gay men are as apolitical as the rest of the population, but the gay men I know who take an active interest in politics and society are aware of, and supportive of women's issues.

TheKeatingFive · 01/03/2025 11:55

I agree that it's not great to generalise, this is by no means true of all, but there is a subset of gay men that I have become aware of in the last few years who are extremely indifferent to women.

In that, women tend not to play significant roles in their lives, and they have zero interest in them and the challenges they face.

Which most of the time wouldn't be a problem, but when asked to consider women's needs compared to 'transwomen', this group just can't compute and have no interest in finding out more.

SionnachRuadh · 01/03/2025 14:41

There's always the risk of extrapolating from small samples, but the gay men I know who are most hostile to the concept of women's single sex spaces aren't apolitical - they're veteran activists. They're the ones I hear moaning about middle aged lesbians aligning with the far right, as they see it.

For the younger, apolitical gay men who just want to go clubbing, they may be oblivious to the issue, and they may have been indoctrinated in a view of the alphabet community that tells them there's no real issue here, but I find with them it's ignorance, not ideological hostility.

Igneococcus · 02/03/2025 20:21

"Stonewall ‘wasted donor money’ on challenging equality regulator"
https://www.thetimes.com/article/918ddd21-f42b-4ffd-aa06-34c0c299f21b?shareToken=6ebf0c2322993823f6ffe60408735125

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