Lost trust in the media

[SuperSleepyBaby]

I feel the transgender issue has had a big effect on how i feel about the media.

Like the Guardian reporting on Wi-Spa. I used to like the Guardian but dont look at it anymore.

And every newspaper, TV channel using female pronouns for male rapists etc.

There’s an agenda being rammed down people’s throats.

It also makes me question other issues that are reported. I used to be more trusting.

Well that’s your view and I’m not saying it’s wrong.

its different from mine and I wouldn’t try to change your mind and it’s clear we will never agree.

have a good evening

The criteria for being a transwoman is to be born male. There's no magic fairy dust that changes someone's sex. Transwomen pose the same risks statistically to women as other men.

You have no way of knowing whether the man stating he's a woman following your daughter into the swimming pool changing room is a "harmless" male, a surgically altered man, or a male sex offender. How can you tell?

We have single sex spaces for women & girls to undress, toilet, sleep because history and current evidence tells us that women are at risk from some men. The majority of sex offences are carried out by men and the majority of victims are women. You're asking for these basic principles of safety for women and girls to be dismantled because this small but influential minority of men require access to the undressed bodies of women and girls to validate their choices.

That's why they don't want 3rd spaces - because women are seen as support humans, required as poor Sandie has been, to comply and undress without complaining or comment.

No.

And to get back to the point of the OP and this comment, I've lost faith in the Police, the Scottish Government, the SNP, rape crisis services across Scotland, universities and third sector organisations (list not exhaustive).

Oh, and the NHS.

I understand

i think differently. I think my opinion is too far apart from this forum. Have a good evening.

Yes, you have a good evening too.

How do you legally distinguish between transwomen who have male genitalia and those who have removed their male genitalia when you cannot make laws which require a person to have that surgery which would sterilise them.

A transwoman is a transwoman, not a woman. Very different kettle of fish. Transwomen are a subsection of men; they wish to present and be perceived as what they believe a woman to be. Women are female human beings.

The vast majority of transwomen retain their penises and most don't even bother with Gender Recognition Certificates. They are legally still men, they are biologically men (because sex in mammals is immutable) and despite some opting for plastic surgery and filters, in real life are often perceived as male.

(Women and children are startlingly accurate at recognising sex in person, particularly through gait. There are lots of studies on this)

I don't see how you can object to the appalling treatment of Sandy Peggie at the hands of Upton (heterosexual intact adult male with no GRC) and Fife NHS and not see the inherent problems of pretending that a transwoman is actually a woman.

There are quite a lot of trans identifying people in my life because I live in a city with a large LGBT community, and I have young adult children with numerous trans identifying friends. I like them, welcome them in my home, treat them with warmth and respect and still know they cannot change their sex.

I think you shouldn’t be able to be legally considered a trans woman without having the male genitalia removed. If you re sure you were born in the wrong body then the male genitalia isn’t required and imo would be distressing and would want it removed.

@Ph3 A conservative estimate is that 80% of trans women keep functional male genitalia. It may be as high as 95%. The whole "born in the wrong body" thing is no longer true of most trans women, if it ever was.

Yes I have read that statistics but I have also read that is because of other factores such as being unaffordable and that the HRT reduces their gender dysphoria. I know someone that had to save for almost 6 years to have the surgery and only managed as their parents lent them the rest..

The BBC, Guardian and similar like the gender ideology. It gives them a cause to champion, 'be kind', and prioritise above common sense.
They become deluded to the point they only report from the perspective they are right, rather than without bias.
They are the ones loudly clapping the naked emperor but, as the truth emerges, they'll slink away from the subject.
Later, when damaged young people sue the NHS they'll probably champion the poor young people and report it as though it just happened.

I agree with the part of “they cannot change their sex” - of course they can’t change the sex they were born with. And biologically they will always be different of course that is the case. But I don’t like the phrase “pretending” frankly because that leaves no space for them at all. I don’t think they are pretending. I think that’s how they feel. I also think they understand their limitations.

If they are not 'being' (they aren't actually women) then they must be pretending? There is no middle ground. Trying to 'be kind' and validate the pretence has helped move us into the state where Trump is elected and Reform could be next. The silent majority aren't going to accept men into women's spaces even if they cannot publicly say anything due to the TRAs/MRAs threatening livelihoods.

Hmm, the discussion seems to have been firmly derailed from being about losing trust in the media.

I didn't say they were pretending, I said your position of accepting them in single sex spaces is us pretending they are women. Which they aren't and can't be.

Some transwomen have gender dysphoria but by no means all; some have the acronym-that-gets-posts-deleted.

If you think all transwomen 'understand their limitations', I assume you're unfamiliar with Dr Upton's claim under oath that "I am a biological woman" - and of course India Willoughby's repeated claims to be "biologically female" (and at one point claiming to have a cervix).

46% of transwomen in the UK prison system are there for sex offences; it's under 20% for male prisoners without a trans identity. Either transwomen are more of a risk of being sex offenders or claiming trans status is something sex offenders do. Women cannot afford to be giving away their single sex spaces.

@Ph3 it sounds inflammatory when you say "born in the wrong body" because that used to be a thought terminating cliché to appeal to women's natural empathy. Most of us hate it because it sounds like a justification for all the negatives like AGPs. Are you familiar with this paraphilia? It's certainly the reason why some men want access to places where women undress.

The important thing to consider is who and why controls the dialogue. We have seen lots of powerful people (mostly men) do awful things,it's as though with endless possibilities boundaries get pushed further and further. Powerful men control media and the pushing of boundaries, breaching safeguarding, reinventing language, DARVO tactics very much facilitates those who benefit most from perverting the dialogue.

DARVO was highlighted in the Fife case. It is effective as it makes the real victim question their behaviour and the aggressor is play acting to manipulate reality.

The reason the media that are pro-TRA contort the poor English language so much is because Barracker was right, Pronouns Are Rohypnol.

Pink News, Metro, The Independent, The Guardian and usually the BBC need to make is about she/her/woman because when they see he/him/man, the truth about what is happening to women's rights is blatantly obvious. The Peggie vs Upton trial illustrates that beautifully.

It was a small comfort seeing the BBC today report on the pedophile without using any pronouns at all. It's not much but it's a start.

It's not just happening in the UK. I lost my trust in the ABC (Australia) when it started talking about pregnant men and trying to tell me that a hulking six-footer with a prominent adam's apple and big hands belonged in a women's football team.

Are you aware that this position would be seen as transphobic among many in trans community and those supporting them ?

Yup.

And there have been a few new posters across a few threads who use the exact same talking points ('round the table' being a phrase that is pretty much copied and pasted from a post on a completely different thread last week).

The crib sheet I mentioned on the ET threads (which was strangely absent of such posters) seems to have been produced....

I think it's always been the case but the internet/ twitter means that in some ways it can be easier to find different interpretations.

The media has always been biased, vulnerable to propaganda etc.

As I learnt via history alevel, it's always worth cross checking across different sources. Looking for bias, omissions etc. history is told through different lenses according to the motivations of the teller. So too the media. Also imagery.

We can slag the guardian off for this area but I know it's been good on completely unrelated things. Similarly, the telegraph has had some excellent articles on GI . At the same time I've also read articles in the telegraph that I know to be extremely construed to send the message they want to. (More holes than Swiss cheese.)

We also tend to approve of the news we want to hear and so develop trust for that org.

It's so important to recognise this as there are definitely people who are using this to their advantage. Andrew Tate was a prime example.

First a-level history essays was "what is truth"

I was glad to also be doing biology which was in those days much more straightforward!

The man who leads the Zizian cult has been arrested. Press are referring to him with female pronouns. Even though his name is Jack and he is clearly male.

Anyone who has ever been involved in a news story knows that the media is not particularly trust worthy. Their primary goal is to sell stories, otherwise they would go out of business. It is a mistake to think they just report facts. They are producing entertainment loosely based on a bit of factual information.