Lost trust in the media

[SuperSleepyBaby]

I feel the transgender issue has had a big effect on how i feel about the media.

Like the Guardian reporting on Wi-Spa. I used to like the Guardian but dont look at it anymore.

And every newspaper, TV channel using female pronouns for male rapists etc.

There’s an agenda being rammed down people’s throats.

It also makes me question other issues that are reported. I used to be more trusting.

Just to clarify I don’t condone what is happening to the nurse (Sandie Pegg) at all - again I am not sure of the ins and outs but I don’t think anyone should be made to change in front of anyone being a trans woman or not.

I didn’t assume anything I shared my opinion. I can’t fathom what everyone on here thinks so would not assume at all. I have had my share of harassment as a woman and I’m sure the majority of us have really in all honesty.

i will take your advice and others on here and have another look around and see what I feel because I want my daughter to be safe and want my boys to grow to be safe and respectful of women at all times - so as I said I will definitely look into it.

i think the divide makes me quite sad as I feel that things that I value such fairness, equality, compassion is eroding dramatically and fear for my children in this crazy and volatile world.

in no way, at least I hope, I implied that there was no compassion and that was not my intention.

i shall definitely look into it further and see how I feel. But I have always considered myself a feminist and my house hold is one for sure and would never advocate for women to have less that we deserve.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Yes I read a lot more widely than I used to. I listen to podcasts from the Spectator, listen to LBC, read the Daily Mail, read/listen to Spiked podcasts/interviews, Triggernometry etc.

I think it is scary but also just quite irritating. A lot of journalists think a lot of themselves and that they speak truth to power or some other rubbish, but SO many have just turned the other cheek to this or run scared.

Like a pp said I understand Trump and Reform voters a lot more now.

The problem with that is they don't want their own space. Transgender toilets, transgender sports teams. Transgender hospital wards. They want women's spaces.

@Ph3 did you know that there is no requirement to have any surgery or have any hormone treatment to be issued a gender recognition certificate which changes your legal sex and allows you to change the sex on your birth certificate.

A man with fully intact male genitalia could be issued with a female birth certificate and be considered legally female .

Well said. They don’t just want a seat at the table.

They don’t want a third safe space. They want our bathrooms. Our domestic violence refuges and organisations. Our changing rooms. Our safe spaces. Many of us would be very happy for transwomen to have their own third spaces.

As for trans men. It is noticable that the people born female but currently identifying as male aren’t the ones being aggressive, abusing women, telling them to die in a fire and so on. Almost like trans women behave like other violent males isn’t it ?

Not to mention males are not physically threatened by a transman in the same way that a women might be from a large strong male. They are also not the ones screaming to be let into male bathrooms and organisations. They seen much happier to just be quietly accepted without forcing someone else to comply with their ideas around identity.

No. I didn’t know this and obviously do not support this at all!!

For this reason it is wise to really read up on an issue before posting essentially suggesting we all “be kind” without understanding why women are now refusing.

It also shows how successful the trans machine has been at hoodwinking people with their “just be kind” even now after all the protests, talks and social media discussions.

It never ceases to astound me how many people come on here with the revolutionary idea of "why not be kind and offer third spaces" then get all snotty when we express exasperation.

MN is one of the few places women can discuss these issues relatively freely (except for when the monitors go on a reporting spree). Some newspapers have surprised me recently by reporting accurately on the Sandie Peggie case, it's like they've found their voice, let's see if it lasts. The Scottish Daily Express seems to be taking a real fuck you IPSOS attitude, I don't know if they're always like that? I'm not Scottish, it's a new media source to me.

What took you so long?!

For me like others it was the reporting (or lack of) of the cologne attacks.

My parents and siblings have had this quite naive “left is good right is bad” view and always read the guardian so I didn’t really question that narrative until realising what the guardian did there.

It's not just trans issues. Most mainstream media - if not all - exhibits bias in some way. The BBC is appalling and is still riding on its previously high reputation. I won't touch The Guardian. Its editorial choices - and the BBC's - are irresponsible and undermine society. If you think their coverage of trans issues is like walking into a parallel universe, you should try their coverage of the Israel Gaza war. Shocking. As a feminist I was sorely disappointed by the lack of condemnation of the sexual violence against women and girls on 7 Oct.

I'm sorry you're disappointed and surprised OP but I'm so pleased you're able to see the wood for the trees now about the erosion of women's rights and press coverage of it. I do feel like the media has turned a corner on this issue though - some more than others.

I feel this post was aimed at me. Maybe I’m wrong and if I am I apologise. But if it is let me be clear I don’t think third spaces is the solution because essentially you are refusing to accept that they should be seen as women. I’m curious if you know any trans on a personal level? And no where on my post I suggested kindness was the solution. I understand why some women are refusing as it’s their right but not everyone thinks the same.

A thousand percent this.

@Ph3 You said that you don't agree with intact men being able to become legal women so you don't see transwomen as women do you?

Again feel like this is aimed at me. So again apologies if that’s not the case. But I was not snooty. I asked to be treated with the same respect that I treated you. That was all. That is not being snooty. Engaging in debate does not have to be disrespectful. Again, I didn’t mention third spaces as I don’t think that’s the solution.

Males in female single sex spaces makes it a mixed sex space, no matter how that male identifies.

If third spaces aren't acceptable, then it's basically capitulate or we're not being kind enough?

No. Just no.

I believe that if someone feels(adults) that they were born in the wrong body they have a right and a duty of care to themselves to explore that. If after consultations with experts and the experts believe this is not due to impairment of any kind and this is how they truly feel that once they have completed the necessary steps they are trans women. After surgery and hormonal therapy and any other treatments required they should be seen as a trans woman.

I stopped reading The Guardian right about the time they ignored the mass attacks on women in Cologne and other European cities that New Year's. Nope. They've been appalling on the gender issue. Plus Little Owen. They're little more than a student paper these days.

The BBC's dishonest reporting has been extraordinary to watch. I've also learned to read far and wide and broaden my news sources. It's also made me question my own previous assumptions as a left leaning 'be kind' Liberal. Its all too easy to pick a side and sign up to a set of pre-packed left or right beliefs without looking as the issues closely. Lesson learned.

So you don’t believe a trans woman is a woman? I suppose that’s what it boils down to really.

And how do you deal with that legally. It's against international human rights law to make sterilisation a requirement to gain legal rights

I’m sorry I’m not sure I understand the question?

No.

That's just reality.

A man, no matter what cosmetic surgery he undertakes, no matter what wrong sex hormones he takes, no matter how much he feels he has a 'lady brain', is male. There's no such thing as a 'sex change'.

Sex is binary and immutable. We shouldn't be rewriting laws and policies, to the detriment of women and girl's single sex services and spaces, to meet the demands of men who feel entitled to not only use those spaces and services but also feel entitled to use the women and girls in those services and spaces for validation purposes, as support humans, as uncomplaining background players.

I don’t mind trans people having their own space and recognition. I do mind TW assuming they can have women’s spaces and words though. They belong to us and we need them.

And you only have to look at the Guardian’s non reporting of the Peggie/Fife/Upton case to see that the media are not playing this with a straight bat.