Lost trust in the media

[SuperSleepyBaby]

I feel the transgender issue has had a big effect on how i feel about the media.

Like the Guardian reporting on Wi-Spa. I used to like the Guardian but dont look at it anymore.

And every newspaper, TV channel using female pronouns for male rapists etc.

There’s an agenda being rammed down people’s throats.

It also makes me question other issues that are reported. I used to be more trusting.

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It does feel like you have to do your own fact checking these days.

You're right OP. Once you realise the media openly lie about something as important as the sex of rapists and paedophiles and have wholesale bought into the promotion of a lie - TWAW & sex change is great for kids - it makes you wonder what other spectacular nonsense are they lying about?
It contributes to why the USA has Trump, why Reform are riding high in the polls, why social media is the source of information for so many in place of the legacy press and why there's so much cynicism and mistrust about.

I abandoned the Guardian many years ago when their open censorship of women over trans issues became apparent - haven't regretted it for a split second. Some of the media are slowly returning to truth telling and sanity but it's such a long process.

Quite something to witness, isn't it?

Wow, what an insightful contribution...

I know what you mean OP, it's very frustrating to see blatant lies printed in the mainstream media - they must think we're fucking stupid or something. It has definitely made me question what I previously just accepted.

We're currently listening to the Harry Potter books on Audible and I was struck anew at the parallels between the Daily Prophet and The Guardian.

It used to be the newspaper that you could rely on. Now I simply don't trust a word they print.

Actually I pressed all the wrong keys and pressed send before I wanted to and then couldn’t edit it for some reason. But thanks for pointing it out and being kind and patient.

@SuperSleepyBaby you always need to fact check but we must remember that these situations are a very small minority but of course it doesn’t make it any better.

Then why not just say so in another comment straight after - why leave it as a snarky looking response to the OP? Weird.

Not sure if you came here for an argument or what but if you must know I was trying to edit it couldn’t then got called away by my 9 year old so took a bit to get back. Hope that satisfies your curiosity… didn’t realise couldn’t make mistakes here or that there was a comment police on this site.

edited to say: won’t be engaging any further as this is not my vibe obviously the snarky and unnecessary comments.
managed to edit this time ☺️

Kindly @Ph3, this isn't a small minority issue. This has been a wholesale overturning of the soclal contract (society's "rules" that glue us together), the undermining of our fundamental safeguarding rules that are designed to protect the young, the corrupting of the majority of our institutions (led by politicians) who aimlessly parrot that TWAW, that men can get pregnant and that women are bigots if they protest about being expected to undress in front of a man who demands it.

It's the complete obliteration of reality, truth and facts along with the rights of women in favour of a powerful unelected group using society for their own ends.

Its also made me very aware of women’s rights which i’d always taken for granted

I didn’t state that there weren’t any problems at all. I am a woman and a have a girl and I want to be safe and her to be safe. I have read that we are not supposed to be called mothers because that is not inclusive and should be called people who have given birth for example. I am not happy with that. I have 3 children and being a mother is a big part of my identity. But I don’t feel like you do. I think trans people need their own space and recognition and we need to learn to navigate this in a safe, respectful and fair manner for all.

I have found it to be beneficial in a way.

I wasn’t ever totally captured but I did tend to believe something more if it was presented by a left leaning media service. It has really opened my eyes to bias in different ways - in particular from the left (although I do still consider myself broadly left wing in many ways).

I now read/view a wider range of media and all with a more critical eye. The bbc in particular I noticed some sloppy journalism during their covid reporting - purely from a scientific perspective. On one occasion they misrepresented a scientific study to - in my view - get a more sensationalist headline.

Yes - it’s when life imitates art isn’t it ? A fascinating example - while although fiction the idea of a national newspaper not daring to publish the truth for fear of upsetting people once seemed far fetched.

I think I also see a parallel between the Quibbler and the Spectator in there somewhere too.

There really is quite a lot of 'this is all really very complicated and women need to be nicer' while a nurse fights for her employment against a male determined to make her undress in front of him, while newspaper editors are reported to the Police for using factual pronouns.

But I don’t feel like you do. I think trans people need their own space and recognition and we need to learn to navigate this in a safe, respectful and fair manner for all.

Massive eyeroll @Ph3 - you haven't been paying attention. This is what we want. That makes us Transphobic TERFs

With due respect I disagree. But you are entitled to your opinion of course and I won’t try to change your mind. I have been paying as much attention as a working mother with 3 kids can with the spare time I have. I have read as much as I could on the subject (but not in an all consuming way as I have other interests) and my experience is that in all groups there are reasonable and unreasonable - we need to strive to cement what we find reasonable to the unreasonable’s voices don’t gain ground. The massive eye roll was really unnecessary. I think Mumsnet is not for me - as people seem to be unable to engage in a respectful manner

I know exactly what you mean. I read all sorts of media, I always did to a certain extent but have widened my range mainly due to this issue. Pink news (hate giving them the clicks though!), Stonewall, various trans SM, Daily Mail, local press. It's fascinating how one event can be presented in so many different ways.

Your first post on this thread was a massive eye roll!

Oh yes I see! That was an error and then I couldn’t edit! I explained that further in the thread! Maybe there’s hope after all! 🤭

@Ph3 it might be a good idea to read a few of the threads on this board. I'm a pretty standard TERF. I don't hate trans people. I think a lot of it is a social contagion. I feel great sympathy for children, adolescents and young adults caught up in. I feel absolute fury at the medical establishment that has turned so many people into permanent patients and messed with their bodies, rather than trying to help them sort out their minds. And I am... I don't know, I don't have a word for it, furious isn't strong enough, just utterly raging at the men who have taken women's sporting triumphs away, and got themselves into women's prisons, and driven a coach and horses through safeguarding procedures, and all the rest of it. And I don't even hate them. I just want them to stay in their own bloody lane, get out of women's spaces, and not claim that they can woman as well as we can.

As for the press, I am furious about their obfuscation and the refusal of many newspapers to admit that there was, at the least, a conflict of rights. My faith in the establishment is through the floor. Academia isn't much better. Try Retraction Watch if you don't believe me.

<breathes>

I think now, I check everything, no matter if I think the source is normally credible. Before I share anything, I check and check again to make sure it's correct. I take nothing on face value any more.

It's better in terms of being better informed but quite sad that I've lost trust in so many institutions, media and otherwise.

@EdithStourton i will have a look at it for sure. I never say no to more information.

but I’m not sure that the majority of trans think they can women as well as women can. I think they want a seat at the table. Is that so horrible? Can you imagine feeling you had been born in the wrong body? I really can’t think what that would feel like as my identity as strongly been defined by being a woman.

is there any science behind the claim that there must be something wrong with their minds? Now bear in mind I am not talking about teenagers but adults. And I notice you mention trans women but what about trans men? Where do they fit in?

i am genuinely asking not trying to start an argument but really trying to understand.

Sorry for the late response but maybe when you've time (not being snarky - fully appreciate how little time mothers have to ourselves) but a bit of reading around might clarify why some of us on here appear quite firm? Your assumption that women on here don't think "trans people need their own space and recognition" is wrong. Women have been arguing for transwomen to have their own spaces for ever. Sadly that's not wanted. Your presence and your daughter's presence is required in those spaces in order to validate men who claim to be women - that's precisely what Sandie Peggie, the Fife nurse, objecting to being expected to undress in front of a transwoman, has been disciplined by the NHS for.

Sadly navigating this is a "safe, respectful and fair manner" has been lacking for women who are routinely harassed, threatened and abused for having the temerity to speak out. Mumsnet provides a rare opportunity to speak without fear of consequences from those determined to remove child safeguarding & women's rights while imposing a distorted view of reality on the rest of us.

Many of us are mothers, many with children caught up in all this and we're all full of care and compassion for these vulnerable young people in the grip of all this. Our fury is saved for those failing to safeguard children and young people from the harm being done via this ideology as well as those who actively oppose women's rights to safety, privacy & dignity,

Edited to say just seen your last post - most of us started with the "be kind" belief - but it's never enough. Only full capitulation is required - which seems extreme but once you start reading so much is revealed.

I agree @Waitwhat23 and others - the loss of trust in institutions and media has been massive. I started questioning the Guardian around the time of the Cologne attacks. The BBC plummeted in my estimation as trans issues grew, and Evan Davis had a lot to do with my rage 😡Now the NHS is crumbling before my very eyes!