NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #12

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11

JR saying that it's her fault he didn't submit those emails because she didn't make it clear to him that he needed to.

Sure jan

JR needs to make her mind up - is it
a) she's seen the non-disclosed documents and decided they weren't relevant and didn't disclose them to tribunal ?
or is it
b) there was a mistake and DU didn't know they were meant to disclose stuff on private phone so nobody saw the messages until today?

Because right now JR is just making herself look stupid

Can someone who has given evidence be recalled? For example to address something in a document that wasn't disclosed at the time they gave evidence?

But going to Ester Davidson isn't consistent with what NC wanted, is it?

How wonderful the public access system was in danger of crashing. I for one was and am pissed off but look at the bigger picture - more and more people engaging. Just brilliant.

Excellent!

Yes. Journalists and TT permitted. Public will be kept out.

Well! What a big girl pants day this was

Well I know it's frustrating, but they're fucked surely. Fife, Upton, JR, completely fucked.

Given the stink kicked up over nhs fife withholding stuff last week, to find out that Upton has tried to hide his own emails this week, combined with the fact that he's got no proper information about any of his patient care complaints, just beggars belief.

The judge has said

• the system is at risk of crashing due to number of observers
• access will be restricted to the press and TT
• they are working to find a solution so everyone can access remotely and so the situation may chance

You can make an application for specific disclosure which specifies the documents you want access to, and then a judge will make an order saying 'by this date and time these documents will be handed over'. If a party still refuses to comply with a specific disclosure order there can be costs consequences, a strike out of their case, or even contempt in extreme cases.

If it's 40 pages al about his well being then surely it would have been to his advantage to disclose them because they would add weight to his claims of distress and upset?

NC wants a non-repetitive bundle by 5pm

@CheekySnake IANAL but as far as I can work out, he cannot apply for a GRC yet because of the necessity of 'living as a woman' for two years. I assume a GMC registration in female name/new number can be used as evidence when the time comes ...

I heard GRC

I imagine he's painting himself as a loon

Well you'd think, wouldn't you? 😂

There seemed to be a query from the judge if JR would need to re-examine

NC asking for the judge to ask for a bundle to given to her by 5pm today and asks that the respondents don't fuck it up (my paraphrase).

😯what is that?? but hey, she can have it anyway, she's NC!

I've just had my new cricut autopress delivered. Might make some Bridget jones apple catches with pete the plumber stuck to the front and back.

I think NC is trying to give JR homework. 😂😂😂

How can DU have redacted information yet we can be sure that he hasn't also 'edited' some of the metadata?? I wouldn't trust DU as far as I could throw him.
Also - pages of hurty feelings!! What were the BMA advising DU??

These kinds of delays and requirements for additional hearing days can be ruinously expensive for the parties and it's largely down to R's balls up with disclosure. I do hope that J takes this into account on costs later.

This must be reflecting badly on JR's reputation?