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Imane Khelif not eligible to compete in boxing world championships 2025

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Lovelyview · 06/02/2025 22:33

https://boxingnewsonline.net/iba-confirms-stance-on-imane-khelif-ahead-of-womens-boxing-world-championships/

The IBA is sticking with its rules and Khelif failed its 'gender eligibility tests'. The writer of the article shows remarkably little concern with saying what a 'gender eligibility test' involves and that it shows Khelif is male.

Imane Khelif

IBA Confirms Stance On Imane Khelif Ahead Of Women’s Boxing World Championships

IMANE Khelif is not eligible to compete in the 2025 Women’s World Boxing Championships following her gold medal victory at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games.

https://boxingnewsonline.net/iba-confirms-stance-on-imane-khelif-ahead-of-womens-boxing-world-championships

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Philosophies · 16/03/2025 03:37

AlexaAdventuress · 15/03/2025 19:27

This is why I find it difficult to trust the Guardian - or many other mainstream media outlets - these days. All this stuff about the Imane Khelif situation being the result of Russian propaganda is presented without any critical context or counterpoint, despite there being a good deal of material about the attempts to assess his biomarkers already being in the public domain. If they lie to us about that, what else are they lying about?

Of course, you can take it with pinch of salt, in the same way as if you saw something on Fox News. But what makes it worse is that the Guardian is always trying to position itself on the moral and epistemological high ground, accompanying each article with a load of sanctimonious blurb about how it's battling against fake news and threats to democracy and isn't beholden to billionaires.

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Bach and The Guardian are correct, though.

Cailleach1 · 16/03/2025 07:56

Only in that the cat was let out of the bag. Internal, impaired (or failing to descend) bollocks do not a woman from a man make. And no one really believes it. The propaganda is pretending that this is the case, coupled with misogynistic, gas lighting men in the IOC not giving a f*ck about women. And the Guardian adopting a ‘Pravda’ level of truth on women’s rights.

Imagine the powers in the ‘right-on’ (self id of course) west has become the brain washing ideologues damaging women’s lives with the radical, anti-scientific bullsh1t they are peddling.

AlexaAdventuress · 16/03/2025 08:15

Philosophies · 16/03/2025 03:37

Bach and The Guardian are correct, though.

But of course! The Russians must have tampered with all those lab results and planted fake stories about them in a variety of European media outlets, bribed IBA officials and ruthlessly supressed every fragment of information indicating that Imane Khelif had two X chromosomes. Fiendishly clever, those Ruskies, eh?

Helleofabore · 16/03/2025 08:35

Philosophies · 16/03/2025 03:37

Bach and The Guardian are correct, though.

No. They are aren’t correct about it being down to ‘Russian propaganda’.

The initial testing was done not because of any propaganda from Russia but because Khelif and Lin were observed by officials of the IBA and tested. Then at the Olympics, Reduxx noticed these two boxers were competing and published their article.

https://reduxx.info/breaking-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes/

This article was tweeted, as Reduxx, writers do as it is good practice, and women around the world started discussing it. Then media caught on and published it, and another investigative journalist got access to see, but not publish, the tests and wrote confirming the Reduxx article. And it went from there.

For Bach and the Guardian’s accusation that it was Russian propaganda to be true, you have to also declare that the European Boxing Confederation is controlled by Russia, and in doing so write off the career of Dr. Ioannis Filippatos the man who consulted on the testing and who is currently president of the EBC. You would then ignore the role of Reduxx and Anna Slatz and Genevieve Gluck and then the many women who spread the word through their open public discussion. Such as on MN

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129412-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?page=1

But sure they are correct about the IOC regulations which Bach defended. The IOC flawed policy allowed at least two male boxers to punch women in the boxing ring with their 160%+ greater punch power. We know all about how the IOC allowed it to happen.

BREAKING: TWO "Female Boxers" Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women's World Championship For Having "XY Chromosomes" - Reduxx

Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing nex...

https://reduxx.info/breaking-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes/

AlexaAdventuress · 16/03/2025 09:17

Well done @Helleofabore for a much more sensible response than I was able to muster this early on a Sunday morning.

Helleofabore · 16/03/2025 09:26

AlexaAdventuress · 16/03/2025 09:17

Well done @Helleofabore for a much more sensible response than I was able to muster this early on a Sunday morning.

😁

SinnerBoy · 16/03/2025 09:28

SophieStrange · 08/02/2025 14:03

No evidence has ever been presented that Khelif is anything other than a naturally-born woman, nor that she is affected by any sort of chromosomal medical condition.

😆

Apart from the leaked lab tests from Turkey and India, which prove beyond doubt that he's a man. He was banned from "competing" in a non Olympic competition, on the grounds that he'd failed a sex test, because he's entirely male and entirely not a woman at all.

You may not know this, if you rely on the BBC a d Guardian, because they have lied shamelessness about this.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/03/2025 10:13

The Guardian/Observer just had to pay Douglas Murray a shit ton for pretending something he said in 2023 was in reference to the August 2024 riots. I really don’t think the Graun is a trustworthy source anymore (unless Douglas has a secret Time Machine).

pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/guardian-observer-douglas-murray-libel-settlement-riots-kenan-malik/

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2025 10:15

Philosophies · 16/03/2025 03:37

Bach and The Guardian are correct, though.

Correct about what?

That men should be allowed to beat up women in the name of sport?

You agree with them on that, do you?

DuesToTheDirt · 16/03/2025 10:23

I was reminded of Khelif on reading about Norwegian ski jumpers being investigated and banned due to alteration of their ski suits to be more aerodynamic, something which is apparently against the rules, but the average person like me might think has a minor effect on performance. And yet Khelif wasn't investigated or banned from the Olympics women's event FOR BEING A MAN!

www.npr.org/2025/03/14/g-s1-53854/more-norwegian-ski-jumpers-have-been-suspended-due-to-a-major-cheating-scandal

AlisonDonut · 16/03/2025 10:35

All your eyeballs are run by Russian Propaganda agents. Do better. Google it. Educate yourself.

Justwrong68 · 16/03/2025 10:40

SophieStrange · 08/02/2025 14:32

Without publishing the criteria or evidence.

Ask yourself why you are quite so enthusiastic to accept, indeed celebrate, an arbitrary decision made by the men of the IBA to opaque criteria without published evidence to support it.

Here we go again with the old patronising “ask yourself”. Literally sick of hearing TRAs talking down to well informed women in the name of VGAW

Talltreesbythelake · 16/03/2025 10:50

AlisonDonut · 16/03/2025 10:35

All your eyeballs are run by Russian Propaganda agents. Do better. Google it. Educate yourself.

Every time we are told this another bunch of women DO educate themselves. They learn that men cannot become women and anyone with a Y chromosome is always a man. We are doing better and it is good to see reality reasserted.

spannasaurus · 16/03/2025 11:01

Philosophies · 16/03/2025 03:37

Bach and The Guardian are correct, though.

Do you also still believe that Caster Semanya is female?

SinnerBoy · 16/03/2025 11:03

According to the Swiss law, any action or inaction that poses a safety risk to competition participants warrants investigation and may serve as grounds for criminal prosecution. In addition, similar complaints are to be filed with the Attorneys General of France and the USA.

Well, well, a sizeable number of women are likely to be suing the IOC. It was knowing and deliberate, allowing Kelife and Lin to "compete." I hope their foetid bubble gets well and truly burst.

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2025 11:03

AlisonDonut · 16/03/2025 10:35

All your eyeballs are run by Russian Propaganda agents. Do better. Google it. Educate yourself.

No they aren't.

However a significant proportion of our media seems determined to keep lying to us that men can be women. Why do you think that is?

MarieDeGournay · 16/03/2025 11:07

“I would not consider this a real crisis because all this discussion is based on a fake news campaign coming from Russia,” said Bach

Well, if he had read the Algerian press during the Olympics, he'd know that it wasn't the Russians it was the Moroccans who made up all those nasty stories about the national heroine [sic] Imane Khelif who was destined to win gold for Algeria, so their unfriendly neighbours spread rumours about her being less than 100% woman to try to scupper Algeria's chances of getting an Olympic gold.

The Russian angle is not compete off-the-wall fabrication, though, because the IBA was corrupt, and was baled out by Russia, did have close links to the Kremlin so it was always possible to dismiss anything - including the damning tests on Khelif - coming from the IBA as 'Russian propaganda', regardless of what labs carried out the tests. That mud was always going to stick.

Which is why the only way forward in boxing for Khelif and Lin is to volunteer to have the same tests done in an independently-chosen lab, and abide by the results. They seem reluctant.... quelle surprise.😑

lcakethereforeIam · 16/03/2025 11:11

Russia/Snowball. Odd that out of all the athletes at the Olympics Russia picked those two.

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2025 11:13

Can I just remind everyone what the criteria used by the IOC was for eligibility in female competition?

An F on one's passport. That's all.

MarieDeGournay · 16/03/2025 11:48

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2025 11:13

Can I just remind everyone what the criteria used by the IOC was for eligibility in female competition?

An F on one's passport. That's all.

Can I just remind everyone what the criteria used by the IOC was for eligibility in female competition?

F... all!😄

FranticFrankie · 16/03/2025 12:18

Philosophies; correct in what., exactly?

Honestly- if the graun and Cbb told me it was raining outside, I’d go to the window and look

FlowchartRequired · 16/03/2025 12:46

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2025 11:03

No they aren't.

However a significant proportion of our media seems determined to keep lying to us that men can be women. Why do you think that is?

I had read Alison's post as a pisstake. I don't think she really thinks that our eyeballs have been hacked by the Russians.

Now where are my tinfoil hat and specs? 😎

DeanElderberry · 16/03/2025 12:47

I suspect that Russian 'farms' are being used to exploit any potential fault lines in western societies, and that gender is a nice juicy one. They push at both sides. They start by distorting the truth, then advance to outright lies. It happened over Brexit, Irish historians have noticed false narratives around the 'Irish slave' myth and around Irish neutrality in WW2 being used to fuel division. I'm sure people in other countries see the same thing around contentious issues.

The way to tackle that is to think clearly, and keep checking your sources, and to know who is trustworthy, and to call out falsehoods.

The older you are, the easier it is to smell a rat, because you've lived though a long enough timeline to know when they are making stuff up about something you lived through.

DeanElderberry · 16/03/2025 12:57

What I mean is, also, that I have no doubt the push to get males into women's sport has been made by Russian interests as well, specifically in order to trigger a backlash. Long long game.

Helleofabore · 16/03/2025 13:14

Sure, there will be some ‘Russian’ influence in amplifying the message. However, I generally find those making those types of claims to be dismissive of the work done by women.

It is, after all, far easier to dismiss women’s efforts. And to say that it would not be so widely known if it was not for the ‘bots’ rather than to admit the extent of the negative impact that gender identity theory has now had on society. I think that some people find it necessary to dismiss it all and Russians and bots are easier to blame rather than to acknowledge what is really happening.