NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #5

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

If they are discussing a settlement, we don't know (and probably will never know) whether it is because DU has refused to be cross examined or NHS Fife has decided to fold. If it is the latter, DU will have little choice but to accept. I doubt DU could afford to fight on without NHS Fife's support.

Just over £6k in the charity fund for Sandie’s dad now ❤️

Michael Foran's post says there's usually 2, but only 1 turned up and they're waiting for a second one.

You couldn't make it up

Could they not arrange an emotional support puppy instead of a security guard?

REPORTS SECURITY GUARD SCARED AWAY BY NAOMI CUNNINGHAM'S FEARSOME INTELLIGENCE

I’ll pop back in another half hour then. Such fun!

DU has been perpetually late.......this is not acceptable. Everyone else has been in place and waiting for over a hour. There is no good reason for just one person to demand so much time, attention and resources.

I think how it's all carved up and who is responsible for paying what is ultimately a matter for the respondents to decide between themselves. They can have regard to principles of liability but ultimately if Fife agree to indemnify Upton, even if they don't have to, that's a matter for them.
But it's not just about the money. Any requirement for an apology or statement will feed into decisions on how the financial side is carved up.

According to Michael Foran who is actually at the tribunal there should be two security guards but only one has turned up. They're waiting for another to arrive.

The cost of this court (in legal fees alone) not running because of the lack of a security guard… dear me.

Can he face any action for putting SP through this? Or NHS Fife?

I feel so much for her. Women shouldn't be put in these situations

Ghosts: 2
Cold drinks: 3
Ibuprofen: 1
TUC Crackers: 2
Tidy up of kitchen and quick pizza dough prod: 1

This could wipe out the whole morning.

You're looking a bit tea-deficient there AlisonDonut.

What a monumental waste of everyone's time and money.

Good call for pizza dough! I'll go and make some while we wait for the security company to find someone big and scary enough to take on Naomi Cunningham.

Just my luck that the one day I'm actually free to watch, something goes wrong.

This ^

We have pizza every friday and if I don't have it, the next few days never feel right.

If the tribunal finds against Dr Upton, wouldn't the NHS have to sack him and report him to his regulatory body? So they've really stuck their neck out.
Because surely they couldn't continue to employ someone with such findings against them?
Although I agree with PP, they may well see it as worth it just to get the matter sorted out for them.

Was it the Supreme Court hearing where the camera kept straying to capture Michael and Maya rolling their eyes?

So 12 noon start and then a break for lunch, do we think?

I have just scranned a whole bar of chocolate in impatience, and now I am SAD because I have none left for later 😭 I would now like to blame someone else for my gluttony and growing waistline.

Me too @ChowMoWan

At this rate they'll be breaking for lunch before they even get started!