NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #5

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Wasn't aware of that. Courts usually allow a certain amount of leeway but there are possible penalties, including the defence case being dismissed and SP being given judgement by default. However, if reports are correct, it is not DU's lateness holding up proceedings.

Can a settlement require Fife to guarantee single sex changing spaces?

Because while I understand pragmatism will win, that’s what it’s about.

I've whizzed through my task list and forewent coffee with a colleague to get my nose in front ready to take an early lunch if needed.

Ridiculously I’m wasting more time waiting for it to start than if it actually had. I d go away and leave you to it, checking in as and when I could. Instead I’m waiting like there’s a cliff hanger.

So 12 noon start and then a break for lunch, do we think?

It will depend on when a security guard turns up. If they are unable to open proceedings with only one and this is a no exceptions rule then they won't start until they have 2. I've worked at places like this and something like this can result in a lost day.

@CoaltownFifer I just had the loveliest florentine - which was DH's as I scoffed mine yesterday, but he left it for me so I'd have a treat with my morning tea.

So I'm blaming him for my gluttony

He did turn up late but seems he has now demanded extra security. How much security was Peggie given?

Under these circumstances it is important to keep contemporaneous notes in case of escalation.

It doesn't look like they are negotiating a settlement. But yes, such a provision could be part of any settlement.

They need the wonderful Lianne who sorts security for events like Filia.

And we know what the Judge is like with his 5 minute breaks!

Which will come first do you think - proceedings starting, or thread #6?

Progress?

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1887826846760230949

I seem to be in, but blank screen.

Poor WFTCHTJ man, he will get a sore throat if he has to keep saying it for much longer

Is it too late to gain access? I'm unexpectedly off for the rest of the day but I have it in my head I'm too late to watch now?

IS he asking for extra security? I thought it was that the court has to have two guards but only one arrived?

No, that does not appear to be what has happened. The court usually has two security guards but only one has turned up. Saying he has demanded extra security is just making things up. There is no evidence that he has demanded anything. As I understand it, the court just wants the same level of security that has been in place throughout the hearing up to today.

Is he demanding extra security? MF's thread reads otherwise, it's standard to have 2, but there's only one at the moment and they're waiting for no. 2.

Cummon!

I'm out this afternoon. I just want to watch 10 mins of NC with BU to get an idea of his demeanour.

It could be. But if they offer a money settlement more than the court would award then the other side cannot afford to refuse it because of costs. And in that case Fife don't have to agree to anything or, indeed, even admit liability or fault.

Not extra. One of the two security guards meant to be on duty didn't turn up and they're waiting for a replacement to arrive.

Michael Foran:

Security has arrive and some of us have made it into the room.

Out of interest, does anyone know if there are people outside the building? A demonstration or rally type thing? Just wondering what they are arriving to and having to walk past.

@CapybaraParty Not too late. Email them for access.