NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #5

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

IStandWithSandiePeggie is trending on Twitter.

I can't post pictures anymore. I don't know why. The last one I posted was https://www.tipperarycrystal.ie/new-arrivals/eoin-oconnor-butter-dish/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-5a9BhCBARIsACwMkJ5tz3eMrgWzAsnSYJ0cEHKfEKZB87eEDMhkGxM-yYqMMqNwWojbYaQaAj__EALw_wcB
Very non offensive.

Well I managed to get to the gym, have a coffee with a friend and now I'm back with tea and a biscuit and starting work - and still WFTCHTJ!

I think I'll put the recycling out.

Yes, it is certainly possible that NHS Fife think the case is going badly and are trying to settle rather than have a judgement against them.

Can they really revisit a decision that has already been signed off by a judge? Seems very disorderly.

They'd need some new reasons as the basis for the application.

Years of dedication and practice.

Wouldn't both NHS Fife and DU have to settle as they are both Respondents? Can SP claim against DU?

I may start reading war and peace, should be able to fit that in before we're let in

@RocketPanda Mumsnet suspended image posting after a slew of child abuse images got posted the other night

On twitter there was an analysis of NHS Fife's legal team and it seems that it is not just them with an interest in this. NHS Scotland have been involved, so I don't know if they would settle,

Any settlement will involve SP withdrawing her claim and receiving compensation from NHS Fife and possibly also DU (although the latter is less likely). If it was going to go the other way, it would simply be SP withdrawing her claim and there would be no settlement for them to discuss.

Oo, I had a meeting and was gutted I'd miss NC cross-examining DU, but evidently I haven't missed anything... here's hoping it is still coming, though, it'll be a bit of a damp squib if it all falls apart now...

I'm dunking in my coffee, don't like tea.

DU might be expecting NHS Fife to pay all his legal fees and all associated expenses for him and his family, and make a statement that exonerates him blah blah.

Surely Sandie wouldn't settle at this point? They've put her through hell with no apparent efforts to look after her mental wellbeing (in stark contrast to the male in the case). What would be the benefit to her? None.

I’ll be distraught if they cancel the live feed and the mumsnet threads are implicated

That is a separate issue to any settlement.

If they are doing settlement, is that where it could require NHS Fife to issue a full apology, acknowledge they acted illegally, take steps to provide single sex CRs etc etc?

I've raced in from my overrunning meeting but I see I haven't missed anything.

Well, well. My money is on settlement talks. Which will be complex because there are two respondents and their interests/attitudes to settlement will not necessarily coincide. I wonder who is paying what for the legal bills?

Might it not complicate DU's agreement to a settlement offer?

I've got a meeting this afternoon. At this rate I'm going to miss NC.

Time wasting, I'm guessing.

How much failure of justice do we think is down to time wasting, and is there not some way to compel vexatious time wasters to get on with it? The process really is the punishment.

My understanding is that if they make a reasonable settlement offer, and SP doesn't take it, she may be liable for some of their costs. That can be a very powerful persuader.

That said IANAL.

Fife can make an offer at any time up until the ruling. As yesterday didn't go all that well....

Phillipa Perry on the psychology of habitual lateness:

https://welldoing.org/article/lateness

She'd be risking losing the case.