French Gynaecologist Suspended for refusing to treat a TW

[TwistedWonder]

https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/

Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently.

FFS make this BS stop

Presumably, this person has an issue with their artificial vagina, as they have no womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes. The only person qualified to deal with that is their plastic/ gender reassignment surgeon, surely? No one would take their prosthetic leg to an orthopedic surgeon for a check up!

I don't really care if the gynae was rude tbh. I have lost patience with all of this. It was completely inappropriate of the TW to expect a medical professional to waste his time playing along with a fantasy, then accept having accusations of bigotry screamed at him when he says no.
Add in how common it is that this stuff is a fetish and he was trying to get this doctor to handle his genital area knowing that this was not the doctor's specialism?
This is massive boundary pushing at best, at worst it's trying to compel and bully a stranger into performing a sexual fantasy.
A rude response is absolutely understandable.

If my doctor said he was inexperienced in treating my problem and wanted to refer me to an expert I’d be delighted not offended. Seems this man was seeking affirmation with a view to kicking up a fuss if he was denied. Basically just a prick!

You are missing the point of him using sir, etc., if he was accused of discrimination and the review was signed 'Isabelle' he had to be precise about his reasons for refusing treatment.
He seems to have been baited into an explanation that was then turned against him - nice work.
(Native french speaker here and his answer is typically what you would expect from someone who wishes to remain polite after an insult.)

On December 16, 2024, the Conseil National de l’Ordre des Médecins sentenced Acharian to a five-month suspension, followed by a one-month probationary period. During that time, if the gynecologist is found to have engaged in transphobia or denied another trans-identified male patient, he would be sanctioned again.

I assume this is a translation but it's not very clear. Does it mean denying another trans identified male patient treatment or more about denying their identity? (I did read the article). If the former, this is a very different thing to transphobia and the correct ethical decision if Dr A doesn't have the training or expertise. He can't just give it a go.

Anyway, he was right to refuse treatment but his language was unprofessional even though he was placed in a very frustrating position by those wanting him to compromise his profession to play act along with them. He should have ignored the post, taken steps to remove it, or responded privately in a more civil fashion explaining his clinical decision not to treat. There is a confidentiality issue too in his manner of response as he talks about the patient's gender status if they use their name

in my young day, calling a man "Sir" was considered very polite.

I don’t understand how he’s supposed to
treat a man. Even if they’ve had penis removed and what is essentially an open wound inserted it’s bonkers to think that’s the sort of thing a gynaecologist would specialise in. He should be referred back to the person who did the surgery and the surrounding team I understand it requires quite a lot of daily dilation or the body will attempt to
close the wound.

This. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

I read that the patient wanted to see the doctor for chest pains?

Why the fuck would you go to a gynae for chest pains?

The patient booked his appointment on the Doctolib app because he said he was experiencing pains in his chest. Oh là là, doctor, feel my big bosom...

When he got there, it was the receptionist who said - I can just imagine her incredulous tone having dealt with plenty of medical receptionists in France, they don't do kind and caring - "but we don't treat people like you here" or something similar. Just the reaction he was hoping for. The bit I'm not sure about is whether the gynecologist came out to say the same at the time or if he only reacted online.

As someone said, it was when the partner left a negative review online that the doc applied with the comments quoted here already. Direct. Factual. "Scientifiquement, un homme est un homme, une femme est une femme. Même s'il se considère comme une femme, je dis que c'est un homme"

I remember him being interviewed on the radio the following day. I would say his tone was of absolute shock so his outrage was honest and raw. I don't think he was even aware that this kind of thing was happening around the world. I'd say he knows a lot more about it now.

here's a link in French: https://www.larepubliquedespyrenees.fr/societe/afp/france-monde-societe/un-gynecologue-sanctionne-pour-avoir-refuse-une-patiente-transgenre-23057660.php

Another article I found mentions the serious lack of gynecologists in France. The number has fallen by 52% in the last 13 years. The article mentions women being sacrificed in all this. It also asks if future medical students will avoid gynecology going forward if this is what they have to look forward to.

https://www.bvoltaire.fr/gynecologue-suspendu-les-femmes-sacrifiees-sur-lautel-de-lideologie-trans/

should have read the full thread
sorry

I think part of the suspension was for not observing the hippocratic oath

Years ago there was an open forum for these men and they discussed their doctor fantasies in detail. It ranged from going “dressed” to unnecessary intimate examinations or discussions about periods. They would report their experiences back and there was no denying it was sexually motivated. Bonus points if the doctor was uncomfortable.

I wonder how many female Doctors have been violated in this way.

Is there anywhere I can find the reasoning that the French Medical Board (or whatever it's called) used for suspension of this gynaecologist? I'm wondering if it is to do with professional conduct or not obeying the transgender laws.

Either way I really hope that women especially rally around the medical profession and obviously gynaecologists about the ridiculous nature of this suspension, that in effect denies them the services of a professional medical specialist for months.

However, given the horror story of that amazingly brave woman Gisele Pelicot, I think the males who identify as women will be listened to rather than bio women, and already have been by the looks of it, with the suspension of the doctor in this case.

The client is a biological male, there is nothing “inflammatory” in referring to him as a man while explaining why he doesn’t need the services of a bloody gynaecologist, ffs.
What is wrong with you?!

What suitable treatment? He's a gynaecologist, not a urologist, or an endocrinologist, or a plastic surgeon. How can he treat a male patient for conditions that only occur in females? Transwmen do not have any of the organs, and therefore any of the conditions, that gynaecologists specialise in! Apart from breasts. But IIRC he pointed out that he does not know anything about the effects of exogenous cross-sex hormones on men - so how could he be qualified to know what 'suitable treatment' would be for male breasts?

Poor man. What a nightmare.

It's all true though. Since when is the truth inflammatory and unhelpful?

In what sense?

I wonder what the make up (biological sex wise) of the Disciplinary Board is/was.

Not sure. I will try and find the article that said it

This.

Couldn’t agree with you more.

No, in that it's massively more likely that this man does not have an artificial vagina. I'd bet big that he has a penis

Le sigh 😮‍💨