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TwistedWonder · 2025-01-30T16:03:16+00:00

[[https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/]] Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently. FFS make this BS stop

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 17:47

@Datun I have worked in various NHS mental health services. It's unfortunately not uncommon for people (patients or family members) to be rude and demanding and aggressive. Or try to insist on things that are not in the patient's best interests.

Yes, the patient in this case is being wholly unreasonable and acting far outside the realm of normal behaviour.

But as a professional acting in a professional capacity, getting angry and aggressive never helps the situation.

twiddleit · 30/01/2025 17:47

Had I been him I'd have said 'not my area of expertise but I'll give it a go' then ripped 'her' a new one with a cold speculum. See how keen they are to be a woman then!

Boutonnière · 30/01/2025 17:50

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

It’s accurate and clear - well done to the doctor for not fudging around the subject. The would be patient knew exactly what he was doing by approaching the wrong specialist, it’s all part of the fantasy.

ThreeWordHarpy · 30/01/2025 17:51

I see the “be kind” tone policing extends to male French gynaecologists.

MxFlibble · 30/01/2025 17:51

How can the doctor possibly be insured for this? Just like the waxers - it's insane to expect a doctor to just give it a go because the patient wants to! He's not qualified - what if his speculum did cause damage because it's not a vagina and has no musculature/stretch?

You can't just rock up to the wrong type of specialist and expect them to lie, use the words you want them to use for the wrong organs, and then expect them to pretend to give those organs the wrong treatments just because you really believe it.

MarieDeGournay · 30/01/2025 17:57

The doctor appears to have been polite and helpful to the trans patient - I don't have the expertise/I can refer you to services that have that expertise - what's wrong with that?

At this point the trans patient became rude and disruptive.

The trans patient's partner left a negative review on Google after the appointment, and it was to this that the doctor replied with his exasperated but factual reply. It was not spoken directly to the trans patient.

I hope the doctor gets all the support he deserves and the sanction is reversed.

GailBlancheViola · 30/01/2025 17:57

mitogoshigg · 30/01/2025 17:39

@InvisibleDragon

I agree, the response was over the top. He should have used the term transwomen rather than men, or biologically male rather than man perhaps, repeatedly saying man was unnecessary

I disagree, factual, truthful language should be used in medical settings. Fudging around and using obfuscating language is why we have the problems we have such as low uptake for cervical smear tests because the literature says anyone with a cervix instead of women.

It is time to stop dancing round these men who claim to be women to assuage their feelings. The bald fact is they are not women, time for them to accept that and get over it.

Funny how these ever so vulnerable, oppressed, just want to live their lives people have the power to impact on other people's jobs, livelihoods and reputation. The aggression comes from one direction only - theirs.

Burntt · 30/01/2025 17:59

LadyQuackBeth · 30/01/2025 17:37

I keep seeing news reports that J Yaniv is starting these kinds of fights with gynaecologists, so it's become a thing. There are lots of wishful posts on X saying the doctor couldn't tell they were trans, we're so impressed with their neo vagina etc.

The most horrifying thing is the comments on these articles, especially from women, who think surgery makes things exactly the same, no awareness at all that there is any more to our anatomy than a hole.

I think the ultimate validation would be to "surprise," a gynaecologist, the excitement in advance must have led to such disappointment.

I saw a post where he was asking for advice re discharge that was smelly and wouldn't stop with antibiotics. Said the gyne he saw for it said it was the same discharge women get from their vaginas.

It's just offensive. And really really concerns me the multiple comments clearly fully believed the story. As you say it's building false expectations for those who have SRS and brainwashing ignorant women who don't fact check what they read online

Burntt · 30/01/2025 18:02

Sorry should clarify. Not specifically J Yaniv but an anonymous on redit

Datun · 30/01/2025 18:03

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 17:47

@Datun I have worked in various NHS mental health services. It's unfortunately not uncommon for people (patients or family members) to be rude and demanding and aggressive. Or try to insist on things that are not in the patient's best interests.

Yes, the patient in this case is being wholly unreasonable and acting far outside the realm of normal behaviour.

But as a professional acting in a professional capacity, getting angry and aggressive never helps the situation.

I'm not disputing that professionals need to rise above things, but given the existence of men who demand validation that they're women and/or men who are AGP I can easily imagine that it's a bridge too far.

Doctors are human after all.

edited to add that apparently he had already said he's not qualified. Where'd you go with that if a man refuses to accept it?

Datun · 30/01/2025 18:06

Burntt · 30/01/2025 17:59

I saw a post where he was asking for advice re discharge that was smelly and wouldn't stop with antibiotics. Said the gyne he saw for it said it was the same discharge women get from their vaginas.

It's just offensive. And really really concerns me the multiple comments clearly fully believed the story. As you say it's building false expectations for those who have SRS and brainwashing ignorant women who don't fact check what they read online

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Said the gyne he saw for it said it was the same discharge women get from their vaginas.

Said.

You don't have to look far to see the misogyny, do you

ruffler45 · 30/01/2025 18:11

What can a gynecologist in his right mind say to a man in a dress that would be meaningful? "Sorry sunshine you have got the wrong bits dangling there, cant do anything for you, thanks for wasting my time"

Original poster

TwistedWonder · 30/01/2025 18:20

vandel · 30/01/2025 17:45

The person did not go to the gynaecologist because he needed treatment, they went to cause an issue and blow things up. They seem to have succeeded but I hope that if France has a Gynae Association or similar that they fight back hard on this.

💯- they knew exactly what they were doing.

Either they wanted the drama or in their deluded brain they thought the gynaecologist would look at their man made cavity and not have a clue these or wasn’t a real vagina. So they could post all over SM about their beautiful and realistic lady parts

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2025 18:28

ISTR a very similar incident in Turkey or somewhere?

Soontobe60 · 30/01/2025 18:31

mitogoshigg · 30/01/2025 17:39

@InvisibleDragon

I agree, the response was over the top. He should have used the term transwomen rather than men, or biologically male rather than man perhaps, repeatedly saying man was unnecessary

It was absolutely necessary - I doubt very much that serious medical professionals subscribe to fantasy beliefs.

soupyspoon · 30/01/2025 18:32

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

The client is a man though?

We really need to stop this pretendy stuff

legalimmigrant · 30/01/2025 18:43

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/01/2025 16:56

I find nothing wrong with that response whatsoever. It sounds more exasperated than offensive, it could be the man tried many times to make an appointment but wouldn't take no for an answer.

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I see no problem with that answer, unless everyone thinks we should live in some 1984 dystopia where people can't speak the truth. The doctor should be able to use language that he deems truthful and medically accurate.

The response from the regulatory body is undermining doctor credibility and ethics.

kiterunning · 30/01/2025 18:44

Well we sure know which Spanish city this patient is visiting in the summer...

legalimmigrant · 30/01/2025 18:44

I mean if identifying as something you're not is ok, and expecting everyone to go along with the lie, presumably it's fine if I identify as a doctor despite having no medical qualifications whatsoever. You all have to pretend I am.

Datun · 30/01/2025 18:50

Having a cavity created out of your penis is not a vagina. There will be loads of issues that nobody with a vagina has ever encountered. No one grows hair in their vagina! A vagina isn't made out of a colon, or an inverted penis. A vagina doesn't try to close up unless you dilate it.

It's not a fucking vagina.

A doctor who specialises in vaginas, is going to have no fucking clue. What is he supposed to do? Pretend it's a vagina?

Who the fuck does that?

Honestly. This creepy, misogynistic, perverted shit cannot end soon enough.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/01/2025 18:51

Considering the number of men who have problems with their surgeries, he may have had a real need for treatment. I'm entirely unsurprised that the unfortunates who have this 'care' appear to have been given little advice on ongoing repair and maintenance and where to find it. Then, that's assuming he didn't just get butc gender affirming care in some chop shop in Turkey or Thailand, where he'd be forgotten as soon as the money transferred and he was out the door.

Winterwonders24 · 30/01/2025 18:56

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

Nah, I'd say grow a pair,but that seems inappropriate: if we suspended doctors for bluntness we'd have few left. Also,we don't know how this person interacted with the receptionist or other patients,so maybe the doctor was making a point.

MarieDeGournay · 30/01/2025 18:58

We had a similar case in Dublin last year:
Trans woman allegedly denied urgent treatment at Dublin hospital calls for healthcare reform
“It's a basic human right to access healthcare,” said Paige Behan, a trans woman who was denied urgent care at St James's Hospital.
Trans woman allegedly denied urgent treatment at Dublin hospital calls for healthcare reform • GCN 29 August, 2024.

The patient was sent around various departments [including Gynaecology] who all said they did not have the expertise to treat a post-op male-to-female transgender man.

A later report said 'She was admitted for two nights at the NMH [National Maternity Hospital - yes, the National Maternity Hospital], treated with intravenous antibiotics and referred as an out-patient to Beaumont Hospital. She is now well.'

The patient complained about the humiliation, distress etc. but also that he had been referred outside Ireland for surgery by the HSE [NHS equiv] despite the fact there was no provision for post-op care in Ireland.
The TRA conclusion is that there should be specialised trans healthcare including post-op care available in Ireland.
An alternative conclusion is that the HSE shouldn't be referring anyone for gender reassignment' surgery anywhere, and that way we wouldn't need that specialised trans healthcare...

ScarlettSunset · 30/01/2025 19:07

No qualified medical professional should be punished for stating the biological sex of a patient or prospective patient. And especially not if that 'prospective patient ' has been wasting their time.

To be honest, I don't think ANYONE should be sanctioned or punished for stating the truth about biological sex, but while the world is still behaving like 'misgendering' is the worst thing a person could possibly do, there should at least be an exemption for medical professionals!

Winterwonders24 · 30/01/2025 19:08

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 17:23

Whilst I entirely agree that it is not appropriate for a gynaecologist to treat someone with male anatomy / no female reproductive system, as @catmothertes1 says, the tone of the written text is aggressive and rude.

Part of being in a caring profession is being able to tell people things they don't want to hear calmly and professionally. There's a big difference between saying that "My service can't meet your needs because I work with disorders of female reproductive anatomy" and gratuitously calling someone Sir and a man multiple times in 2 sentences.

Male socialisation : the level of entitled aggression the patient showed cones under "fuck around and find out": don't expect kindness in response to threats and aggression