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TwistedWonder · 2025-01-30T16:03:16+00:00

[[https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/]] Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently. FFS make this BS stop

IdaGlossop · 30/01/2025 22:49

MaMisled · 30/01/2025 19:10

Presumably, this person has an issue with their artificial vagina, as they have no womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes. The only person qualified to deal with that is their plastic/ gender reassignment surgeon, surely? No one would take their prosthetic leg to an orthopedic surgeon for a check up!

Thank- you for clarifying this. In my ignorance, I was wondering what the trans woman patient expected the gynaecologist to do.

sicaria · 30/01/2025 22:51

sicaria · 30/01/2025 19:24

I think part of the suspension was for not observing the hippocratic oath

sorry just to correct myself here. it says the patient's lawyer wants the medical colleagues to decide whether or not it went again the hippocratic oath.

this was from August 2023 though.

sicaria · 30/01/2025 22:54

MaMisled · 30/01/2025 19:10

Presumably, this person has an issue with their artificial vagina, as they have no womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes. The only person qualified to deal with that is their plastic/ gender reassignment surgeon, surely? No one would take their prosthetic leg to an orthopedic surgeon for a check up!

no it says the patient went to the doctor because of chest pains. other articles refer to it as breast pains

SereneCapybara · 30/01/2025 22:57

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

But why should he pander to a fetish. This transperson knows they have no vagina, no ovaries. They are wasting medical time playing make believe, treating women's health as a dressy-up game.

I completely understand why any doctor would be brusque and factual with any patient who behaved in this delusional, self-indulgent way.

GailBlancheViola · 30/01/2025 22:59

no it says the patient went to the doctor because of chest pains. other articles refer to it as breast pains

So no need to see a gynaecologist then what a waste of the doctor's time. I suspect the reason for selecting a gynaecologist instead of going to a Chest Clinic was because gynaecology is for women. Absolutely a performance staged purely and simply to bully and intimidate that doctor.

HipMax · 30/01/2025 23:06

IdaGlossop · 30/01/2025 22:49

Thank- you for clarifying this. In my ignorance, I was wondering what the trans woman patient expected the gynaecologist to do.

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Again, no. Overwhelming likely to have a penis.

sicaria · 30/01/2025 23:13

if you're a private doctor and you want to make big money, this is the direction to go in. all the reports mention how there are hardly any medical professionals working in trans medical care at a high level. to me it sounds similar to where plastic surgery was a couple of decades ago. now that sector is booming and there's lots of money to be made. just as there is and will be in trans medical care. cynical moi? 😉

RedToothBrush · 30/01/2025 23:18

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

Why is that ultimately a problem?

If someone comes to you wanting a completely unnecessary gynecology examination, then they are fucking time wasters, on a sexual kick or just otherwise ridiculous to be validated. And it means that women don't get those appointments. They SHOULD be given short shrift. These males KNOW they don't need a gynecologist. If they've had surgery they've been poked and proded enough. If they really believe they've changed sex, they shouldn't have been given surgery because they clearly haven't been able to give proper consent because they have not comprehended the surgery they've had.

These men need to told to wind it in.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2025 23:34

It's about the fact that it's a dominance display. A characteristic of transactivism.

The entire ideology falls apart unless people are forced to pretend. And it's the forcing of it that gets me.

Comply, or else, defines it.

And getting a gynaecologist to do it is par for the course. Midwives, nurses, la leche league. It's all the same.

Yes, exactly. It's a charter for narcissist bullies on a power trip.

HipMax · 30/01/2025 23:45

sicaria · 30/01/2025 23:13

if you're a private doctor and you want to make big money, this is the direction to go in. all the reports mention how there are hardly any medical professionals working in trans medical care at a high level. to me it sounds similar to where plastic surgery was a couple of decades ago. now that sector is booming and there's lots of money to be made. just as there is and will be in trans medical care. cynical moi? 😉

People like this don't want high level transcare..the fetish is in roping in the unwilling. Plus the added outrage and publicity too.

Peregrina · 30/01/2025 23:46

I wonder if this TW had had breast implants, which could cause problems - enough women have had problems with some kinds. But if so, he needs to go back to the surgeon who did them. Unless of course that surgeon was somewhere where they just take the money and run with no thought to the consequences.

HipMax · 30/01/2025 23:50

Peregrina · 30/01/2025 23:46

I wonder if this TW had had breast implants, which could cause problems - enough women have had problems with some kinds. But if so, he needs to go back to the surgeon who did them. Unless of course that surgeon was somewhere where they just take the money and run with no thought to the consequences.

But then they would need a different plastic surgeon, not a gynae.

Pinkcornfield · 31/01/2025 00:39

Apparently it shouldn’t matter what bits a person has.
The Times reports that Espace Santé Trans, a transgender health group, said in a statement: “Gynaecologists should treat trans women even if they have not had genital reassignment surgery or hormonal treatment.”

(They don’t seem to have ever heard of medical specialties…)

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 00:53

Datun · 30/01/2025 21:34

For me, it's not even about telling the truth. I can imagine health professionals fudging things they say here and there, to protect fragile or vulnerable people.

It's about the fact that it's a dominance display. A characteristic of transactivism.

The entire ideology falls apart unless people are forced to pretend. And it's the forcing of it that gets me.

Comply, or else, defines it.

And getting a gynaecologist to do it is par for the course. Midwives, nurses, la leche league. It's all the same.

Fortunately, it's just about to have had its day.

It occurred to me while reading your comment that violence and aggression, described here as "dominance", are both stereotypically masculine characteristics. I looked at a study on men and violence, published in 2024 (Masculinity and Violence Interconnectedness: Defining and Reconciling the Gender Paradox Among Men With Cumulative Lifetime Violence Histories / pub. Sage Journals) - very interesting, the study offered the participants the chance to reflect on "what it means to be a man" and noted that "We discovered in our Men’s Violence, Gender and Health Study (MVGHS) 82% of men reported experiencing violence as both target and perpetrator across their lifespan (Scott-Storey et al., 2018)." 82% !

So men are socialised into using violence from a very young age, because it is a "manly" behaviour. There are many factors feeding into this. Then, a male who decides they want to "become a female", and tries to enact the stereotypical behaviours associated with "the feminine side", still has the unaddressed, unconscious male type violence lying just under the skin, as it were. Maybe they were the victim of violence, maybe they witnessed it. So this "trans woman" when upset or annoyed, springs straight into that male-pattern violence. They show aggression towards the people who denied them their demands. They shout and scream at the doctor. Their status must be respected! Even as they enact a male-type violent aggressive response, they still want their "feminine self" to be validated. But their gender constructs just don't work. Not in any sense.

Maybe this is the process, this unconscious pattern, why TRAs would threaten to "decapitate TERFs".

Datun · 31/01/2025 01:19

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 00:53

It occurred to me while reading your comment that violence and aggression, described here as "dominance", are both stereotypically masculine characteristics. I looked at a study on men and violence, published in 2024 (Masculinity and Violence Interconnectedness: Defining and Reconciling the Gender Paradox Among Men With Cumulative Lifetime Violence Histories / pub. Sage Journals) - very interesting, the study offered the participants the chance to reflect on "what it means to be a man" and noted that "We discovered in our Men’s Violence, Gender and Health Study (MVGHS) 82% of men reported experiencing violence as both target and perpetrator across their lifespan (Scott-Storey et al., 2018)." 82% !

So men are socialised into using violence from a very young age, because it is a "manly" behaviour. There are many factors feeding into this. Then, a male who decides they want to "become a female", and tries to enact the stereotypical behaviours associated with "the feminine side", still has the unaddressed, unconscious male type violence lying just under the skin, as it were. Maybe they were the victim of violence, maybe they witnessed it. So this "trans woman" when upset or annoyed, springs straight into that male-pattern violence. They show aggression towards the people who denied them their demands. They shout and scream at the doctor. Their status must be respected! Even as they enact a male-type violent aggressive response, they still want their "feminine self" to be validated. But their gender constructs just don't work. Not in any sense.

Maybe this is the process, this unconscious pattern, why TRAs would threaten to "decapitate TERFs".

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Indeed, where are all the transwomen who want to write the Christmas cards, raise the children, take care of elderly relatives and clean the loos.

Most of them couldn't act more stereotypically male if they tried.

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 01:26

Pinkcornfield · 31/01/2025 00:39

Apparently it shouldn’t matter what bits a person has.
The Times reports that Espace Santé Trans, a transgender health group, said in a statement: “Gynaecologists should treat trans women even if they have not had genital reassignment surgery or hormonal treatment.”

(They don’t seem to have ever heard of medical specialties…)

They don't seem to have heard of women with female bodies.

I used to work as a gynaecology nurse. On the ward, women were treated for reproductive problems - infertility, serial miscarriages, ectopic pregnancy, missed abortion. Women were treated for sexual health problems - unwanted pregnancy, hydatid mole, endometriosis, some STIs (sexually transmitted infections). For uterine/ cervical/ ovarian cancers, for excessive blood loss at perimenopause, for uterine polyps, for ovarian cysts, for uterine / bladder prolapse. Anything related to or involving the female reproductive system that might require treatment - not normal pregnancy or birth, that was done in the birthing centre.

The gynae ward was where women were treated. Not men. Not trans women. It wasn't a plastic surgery centre or a medical ward or a psychiatric ward. It was very busy, and the need for the service was high.

I understood what, and for whom, gynaecology was. It's not possible to redesign people and rid us of our sexed body. Sorry to disappoint, Espace Santé Trans.

SD1978 · 31/01/2025 01:31

So he's been targeted again by someone wanting to cause issues- and they have succeeded. He is now going to have to examine penises and surgically created holes as if they are physiologically the same as a vagina. If this doesn't make people realise how fecking stupid this all is.

HipMax · 31/01/2025 02:18

Pinkcornfield · 31/01/2025 00:39

Apparently it shouldn’t matter what bits a person has.
The Times reports that Espace Santé Trans, a transgender health group, said in a statement: “Gynaecologists should treat trans women even if they have not had genital reassignment surgery or hormonal treatment.”

(They don’t seem to have ever heard of medical specialties…)

Funny, since that actually would be sensible basis for a complaint to the medical board. Treating outside your speciality is a serious issue. It would be like a neurologist offering heart surgery... but worse.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/01/2025 02:18

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/01/2025 17:26

Surely thé responsible and tolerant course would be to devise a suitable treatment for the prospective patient.

The doctor can't do that because it's beyond his training.

HipMax · 31/01/2025 02:23

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/01/2025 17:26

Surely thé responsible and tolerant course would be to devise a suitable treatment for the prospective patient.

What suitable treatment plan can a gynaecologist devise for a man? Where exactly so you think he should put the speculum, for a start?

Zanzara · 31/01/2025 02:27

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 30/01/2025 22:41

So a gynaecologist is banned from practising for five months because he can’t treat a man. Tough luck for all those women suffering pain or disability awaiting an appointment. But they’re only women so they don’t matter.

Quite.

One can have a great deal of sympathy with the gynaecologist, but cases like this are ultimately welcome, because it is only when men are being inconvenienced or prevented from practising their professions that something will be done.

miri1985 · 31/01/2025 03:33

If you follow the logic of the judgment that it is transphobic for a Dr who is specialised in the female reproductive system not to treat transwomen then would it not also be transphobic to treat transmen? Like if a Dr is allowed to refuse to treat men then if they did treat a transman wouldn't they be saying that they're not men?

If I was that Dr I would be asking the medical council some very awkward questions about who I was allowed to refuse to treat

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/01/2025 04:12

miri1985 · 31/01/2025 03:33

If you follow the logic of the judgment that it is transphobic for a Dr who is specialised in the female reproductive system not to treat transwomen then would it not also be transphobic to treat transmen? Like if a Dr is allowed to refuse to treat men then if they did treat a transman wouldn't they be saying that they're not men?

If I was that Dr I would be asking the medical council some very awkward questions about who I was allowed to refuse to treat

Perhaps the medical council thought the complainant was female, as in a trans-identifying woman?

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:22

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

Exactly, there are different ways to phrase it. "As you do not have a cervix, vagina, or female sexual organs I cannot treat you for condition X and further appointments will be with the XX department who will be in touch with you shortly..."

I'm as pissed off as the next person about women having to wait for treatment in the UK for gynae issues, or not being taken seriously by GPs. But this is France - completely different system. Please have the intelligence not to conflate this with NHS waiting lists.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/01/2025 04:29

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:22

Exactly, there are different ways to phrase it. "As you do not have a cervix, vagina, or female sexual organs I cannot treat you for condition X and further appointments will be with the XX department who will be in touch with you shortly..."

I'm as pissed off as the next person about women having to wait for treatment in the UK for gynae issues, or not being taken seriously by GPs. But this is France - completely different system. Please have the intelligence not to conflate this with NHS waiting lists.

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If the gynaecologist had put that on social media as a response to a patient review, he'd have get hammered for violating patient confidentiality by listing what his patient did not have.

Bear in mind that this doctor was posting a response online to an unjustified negative online review after having his staff slurred as "transphobic".