French Gynaecologist Suspended for refusing to treat a TW

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https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/

Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently.

FFS make this BS stop

Maybe he was cross because he had heard that some transwoman claimed to have a working cervix and he wanted one too. 🙂

It really does beggar belief that some one can be so messed up in their head that they think having their dick turned inside out, stapled into a slot cut in their groin, kept open by dilators to stop it closing, and having to be manually cleaned to stop it stinking makes it a real vagina. Never mind a gynaecologist , he needs a psychiatrist.

You just know that this is the sort of stunt a certain former newsreader who is convinced they have a cervix would pull - and probably blame JKR

Reported now in the Times and they have turned comments off, don't know why they suddenly don't allow comments under articles like this one:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/c6116fa0-1233-4f86-995f-4d6e88b91d63?shareToken=1486ceaaed10c5d0eaa37f4baa0864b6

one small point - the doctor's message quoted, with the MONSIEUR opener, was a reply to the erstwhile patient's partner. Not the patient.

So unless the partner was also a male identifying as trans, the MONSIEUR was quite possibly addressing a common or garden bloke.

*The word you are all searching for is

NO.*

Absolutely correct.

Treat him for what?

He hasn't got a vagina, a uterus, ovaries or fallopian tubes!

He doesn't, and never will, require the services of a gynaecologist.

This is the archive version. The article says that the patient hadn't had gender reassignment surgery (did we know that before?), so there was nothing a gynaecologist could have treated, especially if the patient was complaining of chest pain.

archive.ph/MvH1J

He was after validation. And a sexual kick.

This is abusive behaviour. The gynaecologist should not be obligated to be party to it and indulge it in any way. It's grossly sexist and abnormal behaviour.

Genuinely this man knows he doesn't have female genitals. So why is he approaching a gynaecologist if it's not some sort of harassment?

LGBT groups, however, said that transgender patients often faced discrimination or difficulties in gaining access to healthcare.

But this is a ridiculous point if the health complaint was chest pains and the male in question had male genitals.

Can someone explain why it was necessary for this man to seek out and go to a gynaecologist rather than the french equivalent of a GP? And as a result how does this NOT constitute sexualised harassment?

This isn't about transgender patients struggling to access healthcare. This isn't a normal path way to seeking help with chest pains; no woman who go to a gynaecologist before a general practitioner for chest pains! So why did this male think it was the appropriate pathway?

If a man who has both legs amputated above the knee rocked up at a podiatrist and wanted treatment for a non existent ingrowing toenail, should the podiatrist accept him onto their list taking up a valuable spot or should they say that they cannot help?

Yes, I came on to mention that too as I think most people on here assumed the patient had had surgery.
But no, this was a patient with a penis kicking off at not seeing a gynaecologist. Lunacy.

I'd like to know exactly the grounds on which he was suspended. How many bio women were on the disciplinary board I wonder, and the logic behind their decision would need to be very solid.

I don't think I have encountered anything so ridiculous in all my life. It's one thing to be brought before the appropriate Medical Council for investigation of gross misconduct etc., but it's quite another to be disciplined by them for..... what exactly again?

I am guessing the patient wanted to see a doctor for "breast (chest) pain and chose a gynae deliberately in an act of provocation.

It's important to note that in France one can self refer to a gynaecologist without going the roundabout route we do here, (unless that has changed recently). Maybe that's something that might need review now if it hasn't already happened.

https://www.expatica.com/fr/healthcare/womens-health/womens-healthcare-france-320084/

Gynaecologists in France
You do not need a GP referral to make an appointment with a gynecologist in France. You can consult them for all women’s health concerns, from infertility to pregnancy, regular screenings, and advice on sex and contraception. The costs may vary, but the average fee for a gynecological consultation is €30 upfront. Although some may charge double that, your state insurance always reimburses a portion. You or your mutuelle will need to cover the balance.
However, gynecologists in France are in high demand, and their numbers have fallen drastically in recent years. Only three gynecologists are available per 100,000 potential patients. This is largely due to retirements and fewer new cohorts taking over. As a result, women are increasingly turning to their GPs for gynecological issues. In addition, it’s more common for a midwife to follow your pregnancy.

www.expatica.com/fr/healthcare/womens-health/womens-healthcare-france-320084/

Yes, I came on to mention that too as I think most people on here assumed the patient had had surgery.
But no, this was a patient with a penis kicking off at not seeing a gynaecologist. Lunacy.

What difference would surgery make? Surgery is absolutely irrelevant to this incident.

A male person with a surgically created cavity and surgically created folds would still not have any of the organs that a gynaecologist specialises in. He needs to attend a plastic surgeon. A male person taking oestrogen does not have the metabolism that a gynaecologist specialises in. He needs to attend an endocrinologist.

Oh, and this wasn't a patient, this was an opportunist.

So you think a gynaecologist should treat men because they had general training maybe 30 years ago?

That actually would be grounds for a suspension..

RedToothBrush Can someone explain why it was necessary for this man to seek out and go to a gynaecologist rather than the french equivalent of a GP? And as a result how does this NOT constitute sexualised harassment?

I read on a French website that the patient claimed to have been looking for a doctor and came across Dr Acharian's name 'by chance', implying that he thought Dr A was a GP.
I was beginning to see a tiny glimmer of a possibility that the patient had chest pains, googled a doctor, found Dr A at random, and genuinely turned up at Dr A's surgery believing he was a GP.

But I was wrong to even imagine a glimmer of justification: If you google 'Gynécologie Dr Acharian' you can see from his website that there's absolutely no doubt about him being a specialist Gynaecologist-Obstetrician, and I'm sure it's clearly signposted outside and inside the actual surgery as well.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 22:11
one small point - the doctor's message quoted, with the MONSIEUR opener, was a reply to the erstwhile patient's partner. Not the patient.

Your point about the 'Monsieur' in question being the partner, who put the whole business out in the public domain, rather than the patient, is a very good one, Arabella.

It’s this kind of obviously nonsense - and frankly abusive (to the Dr) - shit that is turning voters away from centre/left political parties and pushing them to the right.

Macron needs to pay attention to what happened to the Democrats and start rowing the genderwoo back. Bet he doesn’t, though.

Yep, I need to see an endocrinologist soonish and I will be looking to be seen by someone who soecialises in the field, not someone who once did a six month rotation in it as part of their basic training 30 years ago. Because I’m not absolutely fucking crazy.

Except doesn’t he end the message by saying ‘men like you’? Implying trans I guess?

My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

(I haven’t read the French original though as my French unfortunately isn’t up to it.)

I read on a French website that the patient claimed to have been looking for a doctor and came across Dr Acharian's name 'by chance', implying that he thought Dr A was a GP.

The 'patient' claims several things, including that a woman can have a penis. Why would this claim be any more plausible than that one?

Yes, whether he had had surgery is irrelevant to the point that he had no business consulting a gynaecologist.

The point of our posts was simply to correct a misunderstanding. Most of thought he’d had surgery but it turns out that he hadn’t.

It's just occurred to me that it wasn't the gynae who refused him his examination but the secretary. HOW DID SHE KNOW? I mean she hardly did a little vaginal exam there in the waiting room. Yet she somehow knew this was not a woman. I'm so confused...

Really? I imagine that as a receptionist for a gynaecologist she sees a lot of women so has developed an instinct for who is a woman and who is not. 🙂

Apart from the fact of course that she is a woman, so has a built in instinct for these things 🙂🙂

I was joking. sorry. thought it was obvious. Yes, we can all imagine the specimen who hopes they "pass" but don't at all.

I thought you probably were, but every so often what I see as a light remark turns out to be deadly serious. Sometimes you end up doubting your own instincts, which I suspect is the intention.

I was going to say this.

Now the poor gynaecologist is being told off for actions we have no evidence he ever took.