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TwistedWonder · 2025-01-30T16:03:16+00:00

[[https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/]] Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently. FFS make this BS stop

ArabellaScott · 31/01/2025 11:49

Mine's got scrolls and everything. Some might even call it Ionic.

HipMax · 31/01/2025 11:52

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/01/2025 11:06

Il va devoir fermer les portes de son cabinet tout le mois de mars.

"He must close the doors of his <unknown-to-me noun that probably means clinic> all month of March."

une suspension de six mois, dont cinq avec sursis

"a suspension <in the sense of suspended from work> of six months, with five suspended <in the sense of suspended sentence>"

"Sursis" means "reprieve" and is used to mean suspended prison sentence.

Le cabinet is practice or consulting room

caringcarer · 31/01/2025 11:58

More madness in the world. Women are being deprived of this doctor's services because he tells a man living as a female that they have no female reproductive organs he can examine.

caringcarer · 31/01/2025 11:59

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 17:23

Whilst I entirely agree that it is not appropriate for a gynaecologist to treat someone with male anatomy / no female reproductive system, as @catmothertes1 says, the tone of the written text is aggressive and rude.

Part of being in a caring profession is being able to tell people things they don't want to hear calmly and professionally. There's a big difference between saying that "My service can't meet your needs because I work with disorders of female reproductive anatomy" and gratuitously calling someone Sir and a man multiple times in 2 sentences.

But if the patient has male anatomy he's not wrong in calling him a man.

Ramblingnamechanger · 31/01/2025 12:09

There is no point in being kind to men like this whose only purpose in life is to feed their fetish and cause trouble for those with a grip on reality. Is it really a group which includes the Ls that is objecting? I suggest not, we should complain loudly about being used in this way.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 12:11

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:15

The way to make a complaint is through a proper confidential complaints procedure, not online via a public site.

The fact that the trans identified male's partner took this route indicates that they knew this wasn't a genuine complaint. The gynaecologist probably shouldn't have risen to the bait, although I'm not sure how businesses can deal with such things without making a public reply.

It may have been the first time he'd been faced with transactivism, and thought he was just stating facts that all reasonable people would agree with. I think we forget on here sometimes that large numbers of people really have no idea what's going on.

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This.

They were making a public point. They wanted attention.

They got attention.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 12:20

Why should a gynaecologist who you hope actually cares and gives a shit about women, be nice to a grifter who wants to make a public show of their fetish because the gynaecologist wouldnt go alone with it?

Where in this was the transwoman concerned nice to women?

Being kind has its limitations and actually I don't think where people are clearly taking the piss, why should it be indulged? It only encourages more of it at the expense of others.

elgreco · 31/01/2025 12:21

Not all attention is good though. I think cases like this undermine the whole " most oppressed" ," just wanted a weeeee", "delusional- moi?" narratives that get wheeled out.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 12:22

elgreco · 31/01/2025 12:21

Not all attention is good though. I think cases like this undermine the whole " most oppressed" ," just wanted a weeeee", "delusional- moi?" narratives that get wheeled out.

Precisely.

They become creepy and sexist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/01/2025 12:27

Hopefully it will go viral around the world like Yaniv did.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 31/01/2025 12:32

Kucinghitam · 31/01/2025 10:48

Well, I suppose we must understand that punishing his inflammatory use of ungentle language causing sadness to The Righteous is far more important than endangering female human lives.

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Indeed. 'Be kind' only goes one way, you know.

The 'patient' wasnt very kind to the doctor or his staff.

I wonder what would happen if, instead of a man/TW visiting a gynae we substituted a woman visiting an orthopedic surgeon for her smear test.

It's every bit as ludicrous.

If she complained about how they told her she was being ridiculous, no one would be lining up to say that although the ortho was technically correct in refusing to treat her foof, he should have been nicer about it. Nor would the ortho be suspended.

It's only one group that get to demand ludicrous levels of pandering.

Datun · 31/01/2025 12:42

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 31/01/2025 12:32

Indeed. 'Be kind' only goes one way, you know.

The 'patient' wasnt very kind to the doctor or his staff.

I wonder what would happen if, instead of a man/TW visiting a gynae we substituted a woman visiting an orthopedic surgeon for her smear test.

It's every bit as ludicrous.

If she complained about how they told her she was being ridiculous, no one would be lining up to say that although the ortho was technically correct in refusing to treat her foof, he should have been nicer about it. Nor would the ortho be suspended.

It's only one group that get to demand ludicrous levels of pandering.

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Exactly.

PollyValente · 31/01/2025 13:36

If he wasn't so far away from me, I'd book an appointment with him. My gynae retired, and I'm still looking for one I like.
There has been a sharp decrease in gynaecologists in France in the past ten years. I think someone posted a link earlier in the thread.

Runor · 31/01/2025 15:09

For anyone still suggesting that the doctor shouldn’t have been so rude; just think for a moment. Why do you think the transwoman was in a gynaecologist’s surgery in the first place? What was he actually expecting the doctor to do? Do you feel a bit uncomfortable now?

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 15:17

DialSquare · 31/01/2025 10:29

Result: fewer gyns per 1000 French women, longer waits, women going undiagnosed and untreated, women dying.

Exactly this. TA's are quick to accuse others behaviour of causing harm and death to Trans people but don't give a shit about the potential results of their own actions.

I think "not giving a shit" can be described instead as "gloating". The TA behaviour is akin to terrorism. For the Trans Activist terrorist, the end justifies the means. If people actually suffer, or die, as a direct result of TA terrorism, then good, as far as they are concerned. All publicity is good publicity. Hate campaigns raise the profile of the haters, keeping them in the public eye, keeping the discussion alive.

I'd go further in this comparison. Trans Activists hate women. They wish to eliminate women. If not all women can (practically) be eliminated, they must be supplanted, replaced, imprisoned, or brainwashed. Women must be controlled and corralled. TERFs are dangerous, because they have shown strong tendencies towards thinking for themselves, and standing up for other women in the face of the TA Terrorist propaganda. So TERFs first - they must be decapitated! then all the other female women.

A gynaecologist, whose profession is entirely focused on and provided for women, is quite a good patsy if you think about it. I think the actions taken here, visiting the gynaecologist, insisting on being treated, being outraged and verbally attacking and abusing the staff, then writing a public review on Google were all part of a well-thought-out plan. The bonus part where the professional organisation took disciplinary action against the gynaecologist was a brilliant outcome for the antagonistic pair. It was a gamble, but the gynaecologist took the bait and swallowed it. Result!

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 15:57

Runor · 31/01/2025 15:09

For anyone still suggesting that the doctor shouldn’t have been so rude; just think for a moment. Why do you think the transwoman was in a gynaecologist’s surgery in the first place? What was he actually expecting the doctor to do? Do you feel a bit uncomfortable now?

I would seriously question what the agenda was here?

Was it a fetish? And then not being enabled, was the intention to punish the gynaecologist?

Given that this was done publicly I think you have to say that actually this probably was the case.

That then does raise questions about 'terrorism'.

Now I perhaps wouldn't go as far as using that word for this particular case, but I do think it's a case of 'if I can't have this, I'm going to ensure no woman is going to have this' out of sheer spitefulness.

That makes it a deliberate, premeditated act of harm against women.

And it's very consistent with male violence patterns.

Abhannmor · 31/01/2025 16:09

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

So hard to spot satire lately.

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 16:10

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 15:57

I would seriously question what the agenda was here?

Was it a fetish? And then not being enabled, was the intention to punish the gynaecologist?

Given that this was done publicly I think you have to say that actually this probably was the case.

That then does raise questions about 'terrorism'.

Now I perhaps wouldn't go as far as using that word for this particular case, but I do think it's a case of 'if I can't have this, I'm going to ensure no woman is going to have this' out of sheer spitefulness.

That makes it a deliberate, premeditated act of harm against women.

And it's very consistent with male violence patterns.

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Completely agree. As for using the word "terrorism", I felt I was taking a risk by writing it down; it's an extreme term, and I'm likely to be shot down by critics for making the comparison. However, the methods of attack used by TAs struck me, all of a sudden, as being very much like terrorism, not precisely the same, but with too many parallels to ignore - grooming, coercion, violence, cells (as in small groups of people who appear to operate independently), threats, a belief system that can't be challenged because it is The True Path, and so on. I'm prepared to hear alternative views, of course.

Igmum · 31/01/2025 16:17

Shades of Jessica Yaniv. The doctor was a bit sniffy but who can blame him (well in this insane world clearly his professional body and plenty of unpleasant activists can).

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 16:20

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 16:10

Completely agree. As for using the word "terrorism", I felt I was taking a risk by writing it down; it's an extreme term, and I'm likely to be shot down by critics for making the comparison. However, the methods of attack used by TAs struck me, all of a sudden, as being very much like terrorism, not precisely the same, but with too many parallels to ignore - grooming, coercion, violence, cells (as in small groups of people who appear to operate independently), threats, a belief system that can't be challenged because it is The True Path, and so on. I'm prepared to hear alternative views, of course.

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I think extremism is the appropriate word, rather than terrorism.

The two words are intertwined - but it's possible to be an extremist without being a terrorist. And there's a lot of debate currently about the legal definition of extremism within English law.

wizzywig · 31/01/2025 16:26

The doctor should have tried to put a speculum in his 'vagina '

JellySaurus · 31/01/2025 16:41

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 16:20

I think extremism is the appropriate word, rather than terrorism.

The two words are intertwined - but it's possible to be an extremist without being a terrorist. And there's a lot of debate currently about the legal definition of extremism within English law.

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Every time I do Prevent training I am struck by the similarities between beliefs and practices that we are expected to refer into the Prevent system, and genderist beliefs and practices.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 16:46

JellySaurus · 31/01/2025 16:41

Every time I do Prevent training I am struck by the similarities between beliefs and practices that we are expected to refer into the Prevent system, and genderist beliefs and practices.

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There would be a reason for that.

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 17:27

The gynaecologist was rude. Someone can be both factual and rude, one does not preclude the other. He could have simply said "I regret I do not have the expertise required to treat your health issues but as discussed I am happy to refer you to someone who does."

Saying no politely isn't pandering, unless you have a strange definition of what "pandering" means.

Lots of people making assumptions about what the patient may or may not have said, but we don't have any information relating to that and speculation isn't helpful. We only know what the gynae said and yes it was rude. Maybe the patient was also rude - maybe not. We don't know.

This said I don't think he should have been ordered to treat transwomen in the future seeing as he does lack the necessary expertise, and I don't think he should have been suspended. A simple warning to be more professionnal in the future would have been suficient.

JellySaurus · 31/01/2025 17:43

@RedToothBrush Yet we'd be blamed and shamed for not counteracting one sort of extremism but punished and shamed for not affirming the other sort.