Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

French Gynaecologist Suspended for refusing to treat a TW

324 replies

TwistedWonder · 30/01/2025 16:03

https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/

Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently.

FFS make this BS stop

FRANCE: Gynecologist Suspended From Practice After LGBT Organization Files "Transphobia" Complaint - Reduxx

A French gynecologist has been sanctioned by medical authorities after a trans activist group reported him to the Minister of Equality for comments which they deemed to be “transphobic.” Dr. Victor Acharian, who operates in the Pau region, has been pro...

https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint

OP posts:
Thread gallery
7
Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 17:51

Surely refusal to treat a person is against the hypocratic oath?

Noone should refuse to treat based on personal beliefs

sicaria · 31/01/2025 17:54

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 17:51

Surely refusal to treat a person is against the hypocratic oath?

Noone should refuse to treat based on personal beliefs

Which bit?

The bit that says "I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but I will never use it to injure or wrong them" ? my bolding

Seems like the doctor was well aware of his own ability and judgment.

sicaria · 31/01/2025 18:01

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 17:51

Surely refusal to treat a person is against the hypocratic oath?

Noone should refuse to treat based on personal beliefs

just to add, he didn't refuse to treat based on personal beliefs. He refused to treat based on the fact that this isn't his specialist area. have you actually read anything about the case at all?

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 31/01/2025 18:05

It's not based on the patients beliefs, it's based on the fact that the patient went to completely the wrong specialist. That was the reason.

Which the patient was well aware of.

As well you know.

It would be like me taking my car to a boat mechanic to be fixed.

sicaria · 31/01/2025 18:14

The doctor actually did the person a financial favour! He said:
I could have seen this person and made them pay 80 euros for the consultation, to tell them that I am totally incompetent. Is that what they wanted? These people are under hormonal treatments prescribed by specialists. So I leave it to them.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 31/01/2025 18:15

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 17:27

The gynaecologist was rude. Someone can be both factual and rude, one does not preclude the other. He could have simply said "I regret I do not have the expertise required to treat your health issues but as discussed I am happy to refer you to someone who does."

Saying no politely isn't pandering, unless you have a strange definition of what "pandering" means.

Lots of people making assumptions about what the patient may or may not have said, but we don't have any information relating to that and speculation isn't helpful. We only know what the gynae said and yes it was rude. Maybe the patient was also rude - maybe not. We don't know.

This said I don't think he should have been ordered to treat transwomen in the future seeing as he does lack the necessary expertise, and I don't think he should have been suspended. A simple warning to be more professionnal in the future would have been suficient.

I agree you can be both rude and factual (the phrase 'you fat bastard could be both).

But have you read the article? The Dr did offer to signpost the patient to someone more appropriate to treat their non lady parts. That wasn't good enough, apparently.

Then they called the staff transphobic.

Then their partner left a bad Google review.

You can see why the doctor was becoming exasperated. Cant you?

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

sicaria · 31/01/2025 18:01

just to add, he didn't refuse to treat based on personal beliefs. He refused to treat based on the fact that this isn't his specialist area. have you actually read anything about the case at all?

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

sicaria · 31/01/2025 18:19

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

so you do not want to inform yourself further! 😂not even read the basics about the case you're commenting on!

but you still think you can have an opinion about trained medical professionals and what they should do!
perhaps they might know better than you?

also you refer to the hippocratic oath but i will take a wild guess that you dont even know what it says

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 31/01/2025 18:20

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

Ah that old chestnut, I'm interested enough to keep posting here but not interested enough/too busy to RTFT.

Do you think that if I booked my elderly mother in law a paediatrician appointment they should be obliged to treat her? Doctors refuse referrals that don't meet their criteria all the time. The reason this one slipped through the net and got an appointment was that they were not honest when booking it. If they had been honest, they wouldn't even have got as far as an appointment.

spannasaurus · 31/01/2025 18:21

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

Would you be happy for a proctologist to perform brain surgery on you rather than refuse to treat you because she doesn't have the expertise

TwistedWonder · 31/01/2025 18:22

So if I went to a gynaecologist with a broken leg and he told me he couldn’t do anything and I needed to go to the hospital then I should report him and try and get him suspended?

Good to know

OP posts:
TwistedWonder · 31/01/2025 18:24

And the ‘I don’t need to read the thread I’m just dipping in to scold’ brigade have arrived for the weekend

OP posts:
sicaria · 31/01/2025 18:24

Maddy i think you watched too many movies where someone has a heart attack and the stewardess calls out "is there a doctor on the plane"

in such a case yes, a doctor would step in, its their duty. in this case, no.

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 18:34

TwistedWonder · 31/01/2025 18:22

So if I went to a gynaecologist with a broken leg and he told me he couldn’t do anything and I needed to go to the hospital then I should report him and try and get him suspended?

Good to know

If he said "I don't treat LAME people like YOU, I have no expertise for people with a fucked-up leg" you might be a little miffed....

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 18:42

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

Yes, this doctor is a specialist. A gynaecologist. He doesn't treat male patients.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 18:43

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 18:34

If he said "I don't treat LAME people like YOU, I have no expertise for people with a fucked-up leg" you might be a little miffed....

Is that supposed to be comparable to saying to a man, "I'm a gynaecologist. I don't treat men"?

FlowchartRequired · 31/01/2025 19:07

So a woman goes to see an erectile dysfuction specialist...

It sounds like the beginning of a bad joke.

Shetlands · 31/01/2025 19:23

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 17:51

Surely refusal to treat a person is against the hypocratic oath?

Noone should refuse to treat based on personal beliefs

What sort of treatment do you think a specialist in female reproductive organs could provide to a man without any female reproductive organs?

Which personal beliefs?

What should happen here?:
A man who identifies as a dog goes to a Vet and asks for an examination and treatment for his tail. The Vet says "You aren't a dog and you don't have a tail. I can't do anything for you." The man then complains and the Vet is banned from practising because he hurt the man's feelings.

Shetlands · 31/01/2025 19:25

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 18:34

If he said "I don't treat LAME people like YOU, I have no expertise for people with a fucked-up leg" you might be a little miffed....

I'd actually be grateful that he told me the limitations of his expertise rather than charging me for a service that he was unable to provide.

Grammarnut · 31/01/2025 19:26

MsGrahamCheese · 30/01/2025 16:11

I suspect its less to do with him turning her away due to lack of expertise for trans women & more due fo his public transpobic response on social media

Turning him away, you mean. He's a man.

MarieDeGournay · 31/01/2025 19:35

Maxorias · 31/01/2025 18:34

If he said "I don't treat LAME people like YOU, I have no expertise for people with a fucked-up leg" you might be a little miffed....

Yes, but he didn't, did he, he said he did not have the necessary expertise but would refer 'her' to the appropriate services.
The patient then became loud and offensive.
The the patient's partner appears to have outed him online? otherwise how could the doctor's later comments be 'personal'? and the patient then complained to the equivalent of the medical council, resulting in the suspension.

That's a long way from "Next! Oh it's YOU. I don't treat LAME people like YOU, I have no expertise for people with a fucked-up leg"

MxFlibble · 31/01/2025 19:45

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 18:15

Im not the remotest bit interested in reading more about it other than the op tbh. But my point stands,

a qualified doctor should treat patients. All doctors are trained in all areas they specialise later

ROFL - sure, if it was an emergency, or something like a simple cut - although it's stupid and wasteful of the specialists time and your money to pay one to do something a GP could be doing for you - and if someone is a complicated case (for instance, if they are taking opposite sex hormones and other unusual medication) then the GP would be sensible still to refer them on!

I think extremism is the appropriate word, rather than terrorism.

I don't actually agree - the point of these actions is to make people scared to say no, to invoke fear of them, so they can do whatever they want to do. That's terrorism.

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 19:59

spannasaurus · 31/01/2025 18:21

Would you be happy for a proctologist to perform brain surgery on you rather than refuse to treat you because she doesn't have the expertise

You would be surprised ...

KilkennyCats · 31/01/2025 20:10

Maddy70 · 31/01/2025 19:59

You would be surprised ...

Surprised at what? 😵‍💫

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2025 20:37

JellySaurus · 31/01/2025 17:43

@RedToothBrush Yet we'd be blamed and shamed for not counteracting one sort of extremism but punished and shamed for not affirming the other sort.

Women are expected to be polite and kind.
Drs are expected to be polite and kind.
Transwomen can apparently be as rude and indulgent and ridiculous and creepy and thats just fine?

What happened to rules about abusive patients?

The word you are all searching for is

NO.

Swipe left for the next trending thread