Dr David Bell

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Perfect....

https://x.com/genspect/status/1868132862463250719?t=BwpDbkB2hoVGIXu0OUQavA&s=19

And it's not a coincidence that it's a parenting site that Butters has chosen to stage Butterslastgasp

Women and parents are the last bastion of safeguarding. Becoming a parent is one of the most powerful experiences in the world - and protecting your children from danger is a fundamental instinct. It's not an activity or recreation like watching the latest Netflix soap or playing a board game. Our children are part of us, we're their first and last protectors - which of course most transactivists fail to understand.

They can spend their time on Mumsnet trying to bully, smear, frighten and intimidate parents out of safeguarding our children. But they'll never succeed. The gig is up. The funds and influence behind closed doors is drying up. The corruption and harm is now exposed.

And all their own doing

“I will admit that it is incredibly, witheringly psychologically taxing to continue fighting for the future of kids who are in much the same situation I was and have had their futures cruelly torn away by what amounts to little more than ideological posturing in many cases.”

This has probably already been said but, “in much the same situation I was” means that you should only ever be advocating for teenaged male people who have ‘sluggish’ puberty.

But we know from years of interaction that you are in fact an activist campaigning for the same treatment to be available to all children.

The emotional manipulation, catastrophisation and hyperbole is really outstanding in this quoted post. Remarkable.

Another success story of Operation: Let them speak!

And intellectual and emotional development.

Another success story of Operation: Let them speak!

Indeed: safeguarding is, apparently, little more than ideological posturing.

Yes quite a few transactivists go for the fiercest protectors of children, their parents. And on this board especially, not only is it a complete waste of time, it has the opposite effect to the one they're trying to get. Given it's 'incredibly, witheringly psychologically taxing', you'd have thought the penny would've dropped by now!

What's also a bit of a recurring theme is the long screeds about poor me.

There's an unassailable expectation about the reaction from women for the self pitying whining of men. Maybe that's why a site called Mumsnet is so appealing !

Whereas you only occasionally get transmem on this board and even then they rarely write long screeds about poor me. They're often a lot more objective about their situation, despite being clearly vulnerable to the women reading it.

It's not an activity or recreation like watching the latest Netflix soap or playing a board game.

always so telling, isn't it.

@MrsOvertonsWindow Becoming a parent is one of the most powerful experiences in the world - and protecting your children from danger is a fundamental instinct.

I was in a shopping centre once when an alarm went off and we were told to evacuate. I picked up my 5 year old and marched down the escalator with my eyes absolutely fixed on the exit. I don't think I trampled anyone on my way😮but I was completely focussed on getting my child out of those doors. It was one of the strongest emotional drives I have ever experienced and it came on at full force in an instant

Absolutely. We know this in our bones. Transactivists don't.
Too many of them view children as useful for validation purposes - as tools to manipulate and gaslight with no care for the damage they do to minds or bodies.
There's a reason a transactivist selects a parenting site of mainly women to display their mix of emotional manipulation, forced teaming and outright contempt for women and parenting. And a reason that they equate being on here as an alternative to watching netflix or playing a video game.
And of course, Dr Bell would have their measure in an instant.

None of that has anything to do with puberty blockers.

20 years of oral HRT is well documented as being an increased risk factor for various health issues. Anyone who takes oral HRT for 20 years will experience this elevated risk.

I have since been moved to a safer form of HRT with a significantly reduced risk, which I have now been on for several years.

You have continually misquoted me for years on this point. I have clearly and unambiguously clarified it many, many times. I am clearly and unambiguously clarifying it here again.

If you want to start a campaign to ban oral HRT then be my guest. I wouldn't recommend it personally as I think you will not be satisfied with the potential outcomes.

Wrong sex hormones aren't HRT.

Calling them 'Wrong sex hormones' does not reflect well on the seriousness with which you seem to be treating this subject.

What? Accurately?

The subject of the thread is Dr David Bell - so thanks for the bump and here's a Sky News interview with him discussing the dangers of socially transitioning children:

news.sky.com/video/affirming-a-childs-wish-to-change-gender-completely-wrong-dr-david-bell-13112054

Quite.

But it's not replacing a hormone is it?

I've not read the full thread but, considering the woeful failures of the physicians and staff, who actually works in the GID, kudos to Dr Bell for putting his career and reputation on the line to do what they couldn't or wouldn't.

Correction: A man who understands ethics.

HTH

This forum is largely a place where informed women come to keep up to date with what’s currently happening in relation to the pushback of women against the transactivist agenda.

What do you think your posts achieve? Is your intent to disrupt the women’s discussions? If so, you are quite successful.

If you are genuinely interested in fighting for what you believe and persuading people your cause is righteous and worth fighting for, then posting here is an absolute waste of your time and you would indeed be better off watching TV or playing games.

There is a body dysmorphia disorder where people want to be disabled, or to cut off a limb.

Doctors are clear about ‘First do no harm’ in these cases.

I'm not misquoting, I'm cutting and pasting.

The vast majority of children on puberty blockers end up taking wrong sex hormones. The treatments are intertwined.

and it's not HRT.

ButterflyHatched · Today 01:23

The only part of that particular post which was not utterly wrong was your correct conjunction of the verb "to comprise."

Hoardasaurus made a very comprehensive refutation of every single one of your emotive propaganda points.

You forget to mention the good dollop of emotional blackmail and manipulative language to try and guilt people into accepting the idea of gender affirming care because lack of it 'destroys so many lives'. There's nothing like a good swipe at women is there?

But it comes without a single thought the documented harms particularly for detransitioners and the issue that treatment may be a psychological crutch which just causes problems anyway even for those who think it works.

They want Dr Bell to shut up rather than to have an adult discussion about this. Because if they do then their sunk costs might force them to face up to reality and being the victim of unethical practice and that would never do.

Because ultimately it's not about the 'poor kids who won't get treatment' it's about the self. Any every other fucker here can see the children involved are just pawns in the politics of adults.

Anyone who gave a shit about children would encourage evidence based medicine, recognised ethical practice and open debate even in areas of controversy without all this smearing.

When ethical practice and research become ugly words to be denied and replaced by emotive language you know you someone who isn't a responsible adult worth listening to.

I'm sure I read a pp calling Dr Bell transphobic. That is not only wildly inaccurate, and potentially libellous, I'd argue it's a completely 180 to how Dr Bell has acted towards children and adults who have found themselves on the GIDs trans conveyor belt. Saying 'no', saying 'let's be sure', saying 'these children deserve sound treatment' is not hatred. To say otherwise is...well...it seems to me a bit Dr Bellphobic.

It really doesn't matter what field of medicine it is, when arguments becomes emotively and ideologically driven that's when you should be concerned.

Any area of medicine which refers to emotional appeals is vulnerable to abuses of power and unethical practice. It is a recipe for harm and it is a recipe for conditions to enable a medical scandal.

Interestingly women's health tends to be subject to this more than mens - and that's down to power imbalances.

Time and again when it comes to medical scandals you see children, the disabled and women the most likely to be victims.

There is a whole history of stuff done to autistic kids in the name of advancing medicine which has actually been an abuse and has harmed those involved.

But god forbid we talk about this and why ethical practice was adopted in the first place, because otherwise we might destroy the lives of tranchildren who would benefit from scientific unproven treatments which stunt their development and then when asked for long term studies on how children who have undergone these treatments we are met with a tumbleweed and yet more about the woes of grown male adults who transitioned as adults.