Blue Sky

[AndCoronets]

What do you make of it? I was all for a break from the cesspit that it is TwiX, but I'm getting dubious vibes. Set up my account, searched for a few of the accounts which I follow on Twitter, got to Kathleen Stock and all I found was transphobe, blah blah type posts. Depressing.

Trans activists and Andrew Tate are exactly the same type of people. Both don't don't see females as human and seek to tear away all the hard won rights females have, to appease Male Supremacists and male predators. The fact that trans activists don't see themselves in Andrew Tate says it all about their movement and their cognitive dissonance.

"JK's crusade is for WOMENS RIGHTS"

You do realise in the general population, women are actually more supportive of trans people and their rights than men are?

You do realise the overwhelming majority of women believe female only safe single sex spaces should remain female only, right? And that is all that JK is advocating for.

Women who 'identify as' 'progressive left', maybe......yes, it is baffling!

Most people are liberal when it comes to thinking that all groups should have equal civil rights...naturally...but when it is understood what 'trans rights' actually translates into, they are not so sure at all.....See the Darlington nurses, currently......

If only trans activism wasn't guilty of severe over-reach, there would be no real issue...live and let live and all of that.......But what transactivism means in practice is the erosion of necessary safeguarding boundaries and the attempt at radical re-configuration of the language and of basic biological categories....which only serve to diminish and negate women's rights and women's dignity.

TRA is the equivalent of TERF or CIS. Most people don't use any of these terms or even understand them.

It really isn't. TRAs actually do advocate for Trans rights. In conversation people would use the words in full - the abbreviation is quicker and easier to write. I'd have expected them to be proud of that, not ashamed. People accused of being 'terfs' don't exclude transmen from anything. Cis is a ridiculous word used initially wrt (another abbreviation) sex by a man with a very suspect agenda and later linked to 'gender' (whatever that is) by a sociology student. It is insulting and nonsensical.

This is a radicalised position.

Material reality is that sex is immutable. General social consensus still recognises sex.

A TRA is someone who wants to create this notion that sex isn't immutable and people don't recognise sex. All of this is about trying to shift the overton window to a position that gender identity is a concept that everyone universally believes in.

Since this isn't true, Terf, Cis and TRA belong to the same box - a creation by those pushing gender identity. TRA wouldn't exist if no one was trying to push this onto everyone.

TRA is an abbreviation used on here for speed (it's as tiresome to write out as it is to listen to them). The fact that the tras on here claim to see it as pejorative is a bit of a self own.

Very true, TRAs invented all of them, but now we get a claim the one that they wanted to use to describe themselves is derogatory. Constantly changing the question because they can't stand the answers.

Quite.

A 'Terf' is actually the default position. A TRA is anyone who wants to shift from that. Therefore a Terf or Cis can not possibly exist without a TRA.

Conversely a Terf can not and did not create a TRA or trans.

Yes, it's an abbreviation but it has taken on somewhat of a pejorative tone. In the same way that 'Tory' has become a pejorative, rather than just the traditional name for the Conservative party. In fact, one recent suggestion has been that the Conservative party should now try to distance itself from the word 'Tory'...as it is now used almost entirely pejoratively.

Many of the earliest feminist campaigners against trans ideology were happy to call themselves radical feminists ( RF )- even if the TE ( trans exclusionary) bit was 'assigned' by TRAS . Though not all women or campaigners against genderism identify themselves as radical feminists.

assigned by TRAs who constantly forget that many if not most young transpeople are female and that feminists are concerned about their wellbeing and do not wish to exclude them.

I don't think Tory is pejorative, it's descriptive. Like tra. If someone perceives it as pejorative, well perhaps that's their conscience speaking.

If TRAs are "boo hooing" about thinking it's perjorative - meh. Stop saying "cis" is ok because Latin.

It is a simple descriptive TLA. No more, no less. I don't think i'm a radical feminist (unsure of the definition) but I'm not TE. Trans men are women and i don't exclude them from my feminism-

Women are more supportive of trans people and trans rights than men are, as mentioned.

I would also imagine the majority of people younger than the boomer generation have better things to do than think about what people have between their legs and how they pee. It would appear to be an older person thing (just my personal observation from group photos of the LGBAlliance and the KJK rallies).

JK Rowling certainly has a thing about trans people and her 100 on average (see link previous post) trans related tweets a month average includes posts about trans football managers for some reason, so I'm lost what her agenda is exactly. I think she just likes to think and post about trans people.

Honestly Chris, do you have anything new to say? You’ve been repeating the same rebutted tropes every time you post. Do you have an original argument to put forward?

I see you didn’t want to engage in the paedophile link one-upmanship 🤣🤣

the (single) jkr post about football managers was pointing out that an acknowledgement for a woman reaching a high level in sport was being given to a male person and therefore ignoring the structural sexism in that sport.

supportive of people as a concept or even as an individual doesn't always mean the same as agreeing with a specific policy.

but you know that

What is it with TRA like yourself and your obsession with genitals? Always going on about ‘what people have between their legs’ and pushing youngsters to have hugely destructive genital surgeries that result in almost inevitable serious complication rates and over a quarter with incontinence. Surgeries that lead to a 14-fold increase in suicide.

What next? Will you be demonstrating how men who identify as trans are so destructive of boundaries by telling us that we would need ‘genital inspection at toilet doors’ because that is the only way to stop these men invading women’s spaces? That these men are so incapable of observing women’s boundaries that security is the only way to stop them - but they should still be allowed where women are at their most vulnerable?

i don't have time to look but I'm sure there are lots of studies showing that "support" for trans women drops rapidly when people are told the statistics about things like levels of Gender Reassignment Surgery.

The "TWAW" mantra drops off when people find out about sports: especially things like girls training all their lives in expectation of a sports scholarship to college only to be pipped at the post by a boy who decides he isn't a boy after all. Or autistic girls (legitimately, imo) a fellow "female" footballer with a beard if they are a man (I think that's how she asked?) and her being punished for that.

And when anyone sees the vile videos of them masturbating in women's toilets, or anything Jeffrey Marsh aims at children it drops still further.

Mx Christina: the genitals most of us - vastly the majority i would imagine - are worried about our childrens' (or children generally) genitals. How they may be mutilated without any proper oversight of "treatment" (not least the frightening number of girls getting double mastectomies) and puberty blockers affecting development of boys' penises (Susie Green's poor child).

Grown men becoming eunachs? not so much, although all the videos and posts abuout the disappointment of what a neo-vagina actually is (especially when formed from a colon) the pain of dilating etc etc etc. I feel sorry for them. Greatly sorry.

Support for transwomen drops off when people realise they are men. Something like a third of people think a trans woman is a woman who identifies as a man not vice versa.

When the questions asked in surveys are a bit more specific rather than the rather more nebulous 'should people be allowed to self identify as their chosen gender', then the results are quite different.

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MBM's poll which showed the confusion about the terms -

https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2023/08/07/clarity-matters-how-placating-lobbyists-obscures-public-understanding-of-sex-and-gender/

A Tory party strategist has suggested to the party it has become a pejorative though, and that in the attempts to renew the party they need to move away from it. ( I'll see if i can dig it out...)

Many people utter the word 'Tory' like a swear word.

Interesting. Perhaps start a thread about that.