Blue Sky

[AndCoronets]

What do you make of it? I was all for a break from the cesspit that it is TwiX, but I'm getting dubious vibes. Set up my account, searched for a few of the accounts which I follow on Twitter, got to Kathleen Stock and all I found was transphobe, blah blah type posts. Depressing.

Most people outside of 'the community' haven't any clue what it is supposed to mean. That is the truth.

I don't use X but reading your posts which try to determine gender ideology based language for women makes me glad not everywhere will do that.

To be fair, dictionaries include new coinages all of the time; including slang terms.

The main problem with 'cisgender' is that it is totally allied to, and the product of, an ideology...and it only has meaning if you accept or buy into that ideology. 'Cisgender' is an attempt by post modernists to impose a new meaning and a re-definition of sex onto everyone else....without their permission, or their input.

You cannot re-categorise people without their say so...or if you do, you need to be aware it is only applicable or meaningful in your particular community. Another example might be the word 'gringo' which might be used by certain Latin American communities to describe someone not of that community.

I have as much right to object to the cis word as people of colour have to object to the use of the N word. It is dehumanising and degrading. As other people have pointed out to you, the N word is in dictionaries as well - and has been for far longer than 30 years. That does not make it something that any human being has a right to impose upon another. See also 'cis'.

Or indeed, "LatinX" which is used mostly by non Hispanic genderist types and which is regarded with derision and bafflement by many nearly all of the people it's supposed to cover.

Poor old non binarios/non binarias.

I do not have a gender. I will not be strongarmed into accepting language that suggests that I have.

Cisgender is a made up word and means absolutely nothing as most people believe there is no such thing as gender identity. It also has no definition that is not circular. I know some who do believe it but leave the rest of us alone!

Also the term is really recent and pushed by the lobby

oh god NOT THIS UTTER TOSH AGAIN?

Give. It. A. Rest. Yes it's a Latin term. It is not ancient in this use, it's a couple of decades of insulting women.

"cis" is insulting, we have told you a billion ways. It. Is. Insulting. I'm happy the TRAs are on Bluesky, i can avoid them easily and twix is great without them.

'since 1994' = less than half my life, I don't buy new dictionaries every decade. I have seen lots of neologisms come and go; the niche ones tend not to last. I never took to womyn or herstory either.

So an Americanism that still has no meaning if you don't believe in gender identity 🤷‍♀️

"the N word is in dictionaries as well"

And all the dictionaries clearly label the N word as a derogatory and offensive slur if you look it up. But no such label comes with cis or cisgender as I pointed out.

Cisgender also has a valid definition (it just means someone who isn't trans, it's not complicated) while the example you gave is nothing other than a slur.

I'm always amused by the TRA's insisting that women refer to themselves and their entire sex using the absurd, ideologically driven, bullshittery term, cisgender.

No. Not doing it. Stamp your feet as much as you like. Keep insisting it's a valid term (it's a Latin term bastardised by a social science researcher in 1994 btw) to your heart's content.

Nope. Sorry pal.

Do you think it was marked as offensive in every dictionary published? Did it stop it being an offensive term in previous editions?

Are you actually capable of thinking critically and independently without having to be told something?

Why are we supposed to believe and be apologetic that's someone trans has been offended on the basis of their feelings?

But hey women? They're fair game. As long as there's not a dictionary definition using this as an example of being offensive, it can't possibly be offensive regardless of how abused and disrespected she feels.

The only ones who are allowed to define their own offense is trans people. Women? They aren't capable of processing their feelings and verbalising their own sense of offense, because I don't agree with them.

You keep digging right there.

It must be a sad old life endlessly insisting into the ether that women change their vocabulary - only to face constant rejection.

I imagine that these same people never stand around the likes of Barnsley* town centre hectoring local women about how they should speak of themselves.

• other town centres are available

”Cis" might sound scary but it's just a very old Latin prefix meaning "on the same side of",

Supprime tuum stultiloquium. Stultus.

Back to bluesky, according to this Andrew Tate lasted 1 day. oh well, Twitter can keep him.

Just watched a YouTube by the Famous Artist Birdy Rose, she got suspended in 3 minutes 😁 Apparently BlueSky is having a mare because all the users keep complaining about one another. Wouldn't have forseen that a site populated by thin skinned narcissists would have that kind of problem 🤔 And lots of anime porn! Some one in the comments suggested there was CP too. I hope that's wrong.

Well I've dipped my toe into Bluesky and I don't think it's going to be for me. Forget the whole echo chamber problem for the moment, there's a whole host of technical issues with it as it stands that mean I'm unlikely to use it beyond squatting my username. For starters, you can't set your account to be private, which is useful when you need to keep your posts from general consumption, or just want to limit your interactions for a bit. It seems lists aren't private either, which is an annoyance, as it'd be unwise to have a list for family or work colleagues for example due to doxxing risks. And the context menus aren't as comprehensive as the ones on twitter either, so you have to do a bit more clicking to achieve certain things.

Thanks dunBle. Helpful post. Not for me then.

i think it's a bit unwieldy but it may learn and grow. It's not as difficult to use as the other one (Mammoth? Mastadon? can't remember)

I'm finding it all a bit hectoring. I have seen people practically ordering you to use alt-text for pictures (I usually do, also on Twitter but i don't always remember/have time) to be kind and inclusive etc, and it makes me want to say "you can't make me, you're not my real dad"... even though i generally do it anyway.

and all the gloating about how they are keeping the GC out... it's handy. We know where the TRAs are and maybe now we can have some grown up women's rights convos on Twix.

Are trans people, allies and neutral parties who dislike seeing transphobia really worse than Andrew Tate and all the extreme misogynists (there's a chap on Twitter who said "your body my choice" to women, how lovely), racists and porn spambots that infest Twitter now?

Andrew Tate is a loathsome criminal who rapes and exploits women and is inexplicably influential to young men. Emma Hilton is a developmental biologist who posts about her field of expertise. At the moment, BlueSky users are treating them both as equally unacceptable. That's both quite unsettling and very unappealing.