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This is why so many women voted Trump

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BabyLlamaZen · 07/11/2024 22:13

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

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Datun · 10/11/2024 10:35

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 10:32

There's a boy in my school who identifies as a girl. Everyone has propped it up to be kind.

He's still ten.

What happens when the hormones kick in?

Everyone 'being kind' has set him up for an inevitable crisis point.

Even if he takes blockers and cross sex hormones there is still an inevitable crisis point in turns of sexual function and restrictions to dating / long term relationships.

And that's without considering the possibility of long term complications from medicalisation.

He's been set up from the age of six to believe he can just become a girl.

He has no way to consent or to understand the implications at six.

No one has been kind to him. They continue to be incredibly cruel and negligent.

It's so bloody shocking.

That's what I mean. If there are Russian bots amplifying this, then that's good. I don't need it to be every school. I just need it to be considered even fucking possible

BonfireLady · 10/11/2024 10:36

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:28

I have a doctorate and about 15 years of professional research experience.

OK.

Brian Cox has a doctorate and probably a similar amount of research experience.

I wouldn't trust his opinion on puberty blockers simply because of this.

You might need to be a bit more explicit. Even though I'm sceptical of your expertise (given your "facts" about puberty), I'm genuinely not asking you to compromise your anonymity. However:

A doctorate in....? Philosophy?

Research experience in....? The life and times of a keyboard-playing astromoner?

Datun · 10/11/2024 10:36

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:33

Jazz Jennings thought it was like a sneeze, but I’m not sure he was told that by anyone else, more his inference. Of course there is no frame of reference for those who are puberty blocked as early as he was.

I think it was his parents who told him.

He asked what an orgasm felt like

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:36

Datun · 10/11/2024 10:31

So can you explain to me how a baby can have no sex? Which you said was a factual part of that book.

I’m still waiting for an explanation as to how a boy puberty blocked at Tanner stage 2 who goes on to CSH makes sperm. Should be easy from someone with a doctorate and 15 years research experience.

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 10:39

Of course PhDs have a very narrow and specific research remit so unless your PhD is in this specific area your opinion remains just an opinion (while undoubtedly a noble personal achievement). And if your PhD IS in this area then I would gently suggest that you are more motivated than most to keep perpetuating gender ideology.

The biggest gender ideologue I know in my day to day life makes their living in this area. It is their 'special interest'.

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 10:41

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Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:44

BonfireLady · 10/11/2024 10:36

OK.

Brian Cox has a doctorate and probably a similar amount of research experience.

I wouldn't trust his opinion on puberty blockers simply because of this.

You might need to be a bit more explicit. Even though I'm sceptical of your expertise (given your "facts" about puberty), I'm genuinely not asking you to compromise your anonymity. However:

A doctorate in....? Philosophy?

Research experience in....? The life and times of a keyboard-playing astromoner?

Obviously I am not going to out myself.

I understand you want to discredit and belittle me, but probably better to focus on the arguments rather than the person.

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 10:44

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 10:39

Of course PhDs have a very narrow and specific research remit so unless your PhD is in this specific area your opinion remains just an opinion (while undoubtedly a noble personal achievement). And if your PhD IS in this area then I would gently suggest that you are more motivated than most to keep perpetuating gender ideology.

The biggest gender ideologue I know in my day to day life makes their living in this area. It is their 'special interest'.

My brother has a PhD. Clever man. I asked him what it amounted to. He said in a nutshell it was knowing more and more about less and less.

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:44

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 10:26

The only way the likes of Trump and Farage and all the other far right politicians across Europe can have traction with the public is because there is widespread public unhappiness and dissatisfaction. It's largely economically driven. There is a decline in western living standards for a majority - few young people will enjoy the same as their parents. The process of deindustrialization isn't being talked about. What's fascinating is the places with the largest declines and the most likely to vote for UKIP/Reform are ex-mining or fishing communities. By quite some distance.

The lack of acknowledgement and addressing of this by successive 'mainstream' politicians has allowed a void to be created.

A vacuum in which no one is speaking to the public about the issues they face on a day to day basis allows nefarious explanation to creep in to fill that space.

This is about a dereliction of duty and due diligence which the likes of the Democrats do not want to face up to. Many of them are simply completely unaware of it being they can hide away in their social media bubble and don't mix with people in different circumstances.

So yes I do think that social media and technology change has played a role, but no necessarily in the way people think. I think it's structural and about how democracy functions at its core.

I’m sorry, Red, but I find your repeated “It’s the Left’s fault” rather disturbing - like a kid that has eaten the last cupcake but blaming a brother that isn’t there.
What Trump/Farage have done - and the bots have amplified - is pick relentlessly at the cultural sores in society until they become infected and boil over. Immigration, race, religion, gender, sex - no matter what it is, or its place on the political spectrum, if it can spark a war of words between millions, it works.

Stop blaming the Left. It’s the bots.

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:45

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 10:39

Of course PhDs have a very narrow and specific research remit so unless your PhD is in this specific area your opinion remains just an opinion (while undoubtedly a noble personal achievement). And if your PhD IS in this area then I would gently suggest that you are more motivated than most to keep perpetuating gender ideology.

The biggest gender ideologue I know in my day to day life makes their living in this area. It is their 'special interest'.

"while undoubtedly a noble personal achievement*

Well than you for this at least 😊

Datun · 10/11/2024 10:46

The bot thing is annoying me. No one likes to feel they've been deceived. And I don't. So I want to see where the evidence is.

Russia and China aren't responsible for Stonewall and mermaids. They're not responsible for getting gender reassignment made a protected characteristic. They're not responsible for the numerous dodgy outsourcers of sex education and gender education for children.

Are they meant to be responsible for spreading trans propaganda in order to make children think they're trans, and then amplify that so everyone knows? And votes Conservative? Because it's the Conservatives/Republicans who are going to get rid of it?

If everyone knows that, why don't labour/Democrats say they'll get rid of it?

If the left-wing political parties didn't play right into their hands, they wouldn't be able to exploit them.

I think I should run the world.

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 10:47

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:44

I’m sorry, Red, but I find your repeated “It’s the Left’s fault” rather disturbing - like a kid that has eaten the last cupcake but blaming a brother that isn’t there.
What Trump/Farage have done - and the bots have amplified - is pick relentlessly at the cultural sores in society until they become infected and boil over. Immigration, race, religion, gender, sex - no matter what it is, or its place on the political spectrum, if it can spark a war of words between millions, it works.

Stop blaming the Left. It’s the bots.

Yebbut when it came out of Kamala's mouth, and the party there was no dodging that

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:48

nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 10:24

I’d like to see an example of a fake video that successfully engaged people as well.

Im sure you’ve already seen plenty.

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 10:48

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:45

"while undoubtedly a noble personal achievement*

Well than you for this at least 😊

😊

nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 10:49

No, I don’t agree. As soon as trans ideology hit the schools, medical establishment and sports it was organically amplified.

Not to mention the mainstream media coverage of it, plus Matt Walsh and the like.

The Left are to blame, they fostered this monstrosity.

The Chinese didn’t put Rachel Levine in the White House, or hire the non binary luggage stealer, did they?

BonfireLady · 10/11/2024 10:50

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:36

I’m still waiting for an explanation as to how a boy puberty blocked at Tanner stage 2 who goes on to CSH makes sperm. Should be easy from someone with a doctorate and 15 years research experience.

Indeed. I would be seriously questioning the value of my 15 years' research if I had skipped the basics about what puberty actually is.

Puberty can't be magically switched back on once the window of development has passed by. Especially if the testicles have atrophied. Sadly, any male in this scenario will be infertile, with no sperm production (with or without the atrophy and raised cancer risk that the Mayo Clinic identified).

Obviously no gender clinician would prescribe puberty blockers throughout the natural window of development without also prescribing CSH. However, if they did, the same would presumably be true: there would be no sperm production and the person would be infertile. The patient just wouldn't have any of the superficial mimicry of female secondary sex characteristics, such as fat around the hips and the growth of breast tissue.

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nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 10:50

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:48

Im sure you’ve already seen plenty.

If they’re so common, then it’ll be the work of a few seconds to post one, won’t it?

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 10:52

My twenty year old son said no tik tok mum. My grandchildren aren't allowed you tube because even on safe settings, nasty stuff creeps in.

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:55
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Stop blaming the Left. It’s the bots

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2024 10:55

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:44

Obviously I am not going to out myself.

I understand you want to discredit and belittle me, but probably better to focus on the arguments rather than the person.

Presumably BonfireLady was asking as you cited your doctorate & 15 years of "research experience" as reasons why some of your outdated and inaccurate posts should be believed? Given the nature of your claims - puberty blockers are harmless and reversible, no such thing as social contagion and always speaking about "people" in response to posts about children, you shouldn't be surprised that posters have accurately identified your posts as examples of extreme transactivism.

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:56

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2024 10:55

Presumably BonfireLady was asking as you cited your doctorate & 15 years of "research experience" as reasons why some of your outdated and inaccurate posts should be believed? Given the nature of your claims - puberty blockers are harmless and reversible, no such thing as social contagion and always speaking about "people" in response to posts about children, you shouldn't be surprised that posters have accurately identified your posts as examples of extreme transactivism.

you cited your doctorate & 15 years of "research experience"

I mentioned this in response to a direct question about my qualifications to speak on this subject. A user directly and politely asked me, so I replied with as much information as I am comfortable sharing.

Datun · 10/11/2024 10:57

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:48

Im sure you’ve already seen plenty.

Do you have an example? Specifically to do with gender ideology, because that's what I know about the most and feel I can judge accurately.

BonfireLady · 10/11/2024 10:57

I think I should run the world.

Go for it @Datun ! When the bar is set by people like Trump and Starmer, it leaves the floor wide open for common sense to step in. Based on your posting history, you've got plenty of this, plus a good working knowledge of the importance of safeguarding, medical evidence and the idea that we can't force people to declare a belief that they don't hold. Based on that alone, you're leagues ahead of several others. Obviously please just don't do a Truss and tank the economy. She was phenomenal on gender identity stuff but not so much on anything else.

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 10:59

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:44

I’m sorry, Red, but I find your repeated “It’s the Left’s fault” rather disturbing - like a kid that has eaten the last cupcake but blaming a brother that isn’t there.
What Trump/Farage have done - and the bots have amplified - is pick relentlessly at the cultural sores in society until they become infected and boil over. Immigration, race, religion, gender, sex - no matter what it is, or its place on the political spectrum, if it can spark a war of words between millions, it works.

Stop blaming the Left. It’s the bots.

Im not blaming the left. Not even slightly. It's the centre and the liberals.

There's plenty of people here people right of centre who are problematic. The moderate Republicans. The Cameronite Conservatives.

The Dems themselves were to the right of the Conservatives. (Fuck knows where either party are now).

My issue is that historically technology change in communication brings political instability because there isn't adequate checks and balances to it.

It's about democratic function.

This is most prominent at local government level too. Particularly because local newspapers were the first thing to go as the technology changed. This allowed greater levels of corruption and lack of public accountability. Which in turn leads to the rise of minority political parties - this started at local level not a national one. And actually the EU elections were a good vehicle for it too because it was outside normal channels but allowed for local responses.

In disempowering people at local level they then turned to social media to empower themselves. Some found it gave them status and influence and money. And the way to maximise this was to go extreme.

But government hasn't taken this seriously on any level for years and years. It's only just starting to wake up to the levels of radicalisation going on. It's always been thought of as something restricted to Islamic fundamentalism when that's far from the reality.

It's been very convenient for politicians to not be held accountable for many things and when it's suited their interests to use social media to amplify they have for pet subjects.

No one has sought to protect journalism and it's professionalism. And therein lies your issue.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2024 11:00

Tandora · 10/11/2024 10:56

you cited your doctorate & 15 years of "research experience"

I mentioned this in response to a direct question about my qualifications to speak on this subject. A user directly and politely asked me, so I replied with as much information as I am comfortable sharing.

Edited

I was responding to the rest of your response to Bonfire Lady ( the bit you missed out above) 😂 where you stated:
"I understand you want to discredit and belittle me, but probably better to focus on the arguments rather than the person".

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