This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

Datun seem sane.

I don't think I fear a repeat of Liz Truss with Datun.

Indeed.

Yes, I did politely ask but I'm also politely incredulous at the "facts" that presumably result from all this research.

To be fair, some of my incredulity probably comes across a little impolitely but I'm finding it very difficult to keep my sarcasm at bay. I accept that I'm probably failing on this.

and always speaking about "people" in response to posts about children

Ugh

That's exactly what people have been saying over and over on this thread. Looks like you're on the same page.

Me too. When arguments are cited that have been discredited for years, when the issues about safeguarding children from the belief that their bodies are wrong and can be fixed by a sex change are ignored or dismissed, it's difficult not to be furious or dripping with sarcasm.
I am genuinely grateful to so many posters upthread who have patiently responded with facts, science and an overwhelming care for mentally vulnerable children & young people in the face of some awful inaccurate and tone deaf posts.

It's a very common switch. Ugh indeed.

Let's do this.

All we need is enough Labour MPs to start a vote of no confidence (surely enough of them are sufficiently annoyed) and Datun to run an electoral campaign on an AIBU thread.

Based on the Trump victory and their campaign focus on the impact of gender identity belief, something like this should do it: "AIBU to think that laws, education and healthcare should be centred on facts not ideological belief?"

Previous voting patterns after Brexit bus slogans and Labour's "vote for change" suggest you don't even need any policies yet to win, @Datun . They can come later. We can pool ideas on threads if that helps.

🙃

It's a persistent issue and usually highlights how even the youngest of children who couldn't possibly consent to sex change as a thing are cynically used by adult transactivists.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.chla.org/profile/johanna-olson-kennedy-md&ved=2ahUKEwiZs_fvzdGJAxXFU0EAHRB_Ju0QFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0xGzox7L-pq7oaIXCiLjE_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD

Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD is an Adolescent Medicine physician specializing in the care of gender non-conforming children and transgender youth. She is an 'expert' in gender medicine. She is currently being investigated for suppressing the results of a multi-million dollar study into puberty blockers which show that they have no affect on the mental health of gender distressed children which has been the only reason for prescribing them in the first place.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/3200107/doctor-delays-federally-funded-puberty-blockers-report-for-political-reasons/

The 'experts' are ignoring the evidence. If you are an expert in gender medicine, you are ignoring the evidence. Can you see why we're angry yet?

Revolutions are the result of people power from grass roots.

This power exists in circumstances where people are dissatisfied.

Curiously there is a threshold at which Revolutions occur. It's about 20 - 25% unemployment. It happens world wide.

Here's a question; given how we now have such high levels of employment in the gig economy which potentially are hiding an issue with zero hours contracts would this help to disguise us being closer to that point than we think.

Inflation and a lack of workers rights would also have an effect.

Where does grassroots power come from? China? Russia?

There is this organic force that is universal. And we are seeing certain patterns happening.

It does make me wonder.

I think Tandoras research experience went to a different school.

And organisations - schools, colleges etc that jump to instant affirmation set up a dichotomy where when Brian down the corner shop doesn't recognise the special gender qualities of this child, they experience discomfort that people know they're not the opposite sex really and it becomes a self fulfilling feedback loop.

Whether other posters wish to discredit or belittle you is beside the point, as almost everything you post undermines your academic and intellectual credibility, and your interpretation of others’ legitimate concerns, characterising them as politically reprehensible, is belittlement of yourself rather than of them.

Why did Michael Gove's comment back in 2016 about 'we've had enough of experts' resonant so well with so many voters?

There's still a lot of people who haven't figured this out yet and why it matters.

No Russians amplifying this were involved. It was said on national TV.

Well, then I suppose the fact that Trump won suggests they may have other priorities?

Just seen this one.

I don't want to belittle you. I can't discredit you if I don't know who you are or what research you've done.

I'm simply pointing out that your "facts" don't make sense. However, as I said above, I do accept that I'm being sarcastic. But I'm genuinely struggling to get my head around the idea that your "facts" are somehow supposed to be more accurate, objective and scientific than anything Transgender Trend has published.

However, I apologise for my sarcasm. I will endeavour to keep it in check when challenging the points that you raise from now on. (I've tried writing that sentence a few times because it keeps looking sarcastic. It's my best shot at sounding genuine so please accept/reject as you see fit).

The Chinese didn’t put Rachel Levine in the White House, or hire the non binary luggage stealer, did they?

Or the TW who exposed and played with extreme enjoyment with their (artificial) breasts on the White House Lawn at an event organised by Joe Biden and published it far and wide for all to see and was described by Joe Biden as being part of the group of people who were the bravest ever in the whole wide world ever.

I think what Red is doing is pointing out that it takes two. The radical/progressive cultural elite push their agenda and the conservative Rght responds, pushes back or reacts to that. Who gets to dictate or shape culture. The idea of inevitable historical progress or change which is always beneficial - is very questionable

I suppose I can imagine Russian propaganda on social media promoting transgender as an aspiration. Getting kids to sign up to it.

But it couldn't have exploded without the apathy of successive governments.

I remember that! Topless and caressing themselves. At The White House!

I think a pixelated version was aired on Fox, no need for “amplification” when millions would see it on the news

A lot of the problem I have, is the writing was on the wall about these issues 8 years ago.

I am a centrist and I've talked about this. I was (and still am) against Brexit.

But I eventually got fed up with the most hardcore Remainers because of their arrogance, tone deafness and unwillingness to listen.

It's the underlying shit that's fuelling dissatisfaction that is being ignored time and again that's really behind this. A huge part is growing inequality.

By that reasoning, the entirety of Reddit is Russian propaganda

And “man gets tits out on White House lawn” isn’t exactly a story that would have slipped into obscurity if it wasn’t for the mythical bots.

Once again...the 'trans child' is a construct used to describe children who struggle with their developing self or who are naturally non conforming with societal stereotypes. Usually they are gay or on the autistic spectrum. Some have suffered childhood sexual or other abuse. and wish to escape the reality of their sexed body.

Calling the surgical removal of healthy body parts, or the prescription of drugs which block natural processes health care, is actually the complete opposite to what it is.

I would be happy for someone to suggest an alternative to "designed", but it does not necessarily imply an intelligent designer. Biologists have often used the word "strategy" in the context of an evolutionary advantage; that is not meant to imply that chameleons have chosen to camouflage themselves.

Shorthand does not mean oversimplification. Edge cases do not mean that our understanding is fundamentally wrong. Quantum mechanics, for example, does not invalidate Newtonian mechanics when playing pool or snooker.