This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

There is a problem amongst the youth of today now wanting to accept their sex.

my step nephew has come out as trans … it has shocked his traditional family to the core. We don’t know what to do… it all seems arbitrary the topic until now its hitting home.

I was listening to a talk from a woman who was looking at all the periods of transient madness in history. Super interesting! I had no idea about it previously. Like contagious vagrancy, mass hysteria and multiple personality disorder. Whilst all became suddenly widespread and common in different eras and practically non existent now. I think this trans issue is the same. It’s going to take a hundred years or so until they can look back and say that.

What’s most fascinating is that these illnesses are real. People genuinely had these problems. But it was a societal contagion. So fascinating. I wonder what it is about a person that makes them susceptible to something like this. Or maybe it could happen to anyone if they are surrounded by the right triggers.

1. I - and I imagine most - posters on these boards don't believe Trump has the best interests of women and children anywhere near his heart.
2. Yes, the world is a scary place - most obvious examples being Ukraine and the Middle East. The reemergence of Trump makes it more, not less, terrifying.
3. But ultimately, nobody cares what I think of Trump. I'm British - I don't get a vote. What we are trying to work out is why, despite point 2 - and a growing economy - people in the US still turned out to hand him a more decisive victory than experts/ polls ever anticipated. And one possible reason is gender ideology. It is a blind spot of Liberal/ Left governments the world over and they need to wake up to the fact that, in adhering to it, they are failing not just women, not just children, but huge swathes of the electorate.

It's one issue. I think there were other reasons the Democrats lost. But it is an issue.

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Well said.

I think it’s a reaction to the shrill hectoring of endless accommodations- not just trans, but all sorts. Trans is acting as a bit of a flashpoint.

There’s a thread running elsewhere where a lecturer is complaining about students not turning up to the scheduled tutorial for feedback and instead demanding she makes herself endlessly available. There were a significant number of voices saying that the lecturer bend over backwards and basically expect nothing of any effort from her students. Not only do I think that a man wouldn’t get those responses, but it’s the attitude of endless bowing at the alter of other people’s self indulgence that is prevalent on the left and REALLY pissing people off.

New York Times on what they call ‘the trans ad’

You don't get it. It's not about 'trans'. It's about males in female spaces, sport, etc. Males are 50% of the population. Not 1%.

Ok, your ignorance and narrow-minded stubborn refusal to see it is a HUGE ISSUE, is the problem, and until the likes of you get your head out of the sand, we will keep getting far right leaders like Trump. If you think males in female single sex spaces and in sports (3,130 trans female victors, 27 world records, 109 U.S. records, $1.6 million in prize money. Just in the last few yrs. So educate yourself on your ignorance. Trans in womens sports is a fucking EPIDEMIC!) is a 'non-issue', your ignorance is unbelievable. Please wake up!

WPATH Files.
Cass Review.

On sport, the UN Special Rapporteur for women Reem Alsalem who has mentioned how serious the problem is and suggests banning transwomen from womens sports.

This information has been discussed hundreds of times over in this section alone. Not sure why you are incapable of searching.

You would almost imagine a few people on this thread were the worst sort of Gender Zealots and that all the facts in the world will have zero impact on changing their minds. They're not interested in real world impacts, they are ideologues suffering from black and white thinking. You could present all the facts in the world and they will tell you the sky is green when everyone else sees blue. And instead of recognising that maybe they're colour blind, they will tell you to be kind and try and make the rest of the world the problem 🙄

Seventy-four million people voted for Trump. This might sound like a crazy idea, but maybe they didn't all vote for him for the same reason.

I'm not in the US, so I'm not an expert on what those reasons would be. But based on reading commentary from others, it sounds like some of the issues that drew people to Trump were immigration, the economy (rising prices in particular), foreign policy (ie stopping US's involvement in Ukraine), along with his attack on "wokeness", namely the package of identity politics (especially on race and gender) espoused by the Democrats.

I dare say for some that the medical mutilation of children, and the pretence that men can be women, was a factor. Maybe not for everyone, but for some.

And I would guess that another factor underlying all this was the way that people on the progressive side of politics in the US like to make people feel bad about themselves by calling them bigots, racists, sexists and transphobes. No one likes being made to feel bad about themselves. Trump, on the other hand, seems to excel at making people feel good about themselves. You can surely see why that appeals, even if you recognise that Trump is a truly terrible human being.

So women voted for Trump because he is able to correctly identify what a woman is before he rapes or sexually assaults them?

OK then.

Oh no doubt @CarolinaWren - but if you're the Democrats and trying to portray yourself as the party of truth, science, etc and Trump as a barefaced liar, then it doesn't help your case to be so obviously lying yourselves and also expecting everyone else to buy into the lie or be dismissed as falling for Republican/Russian propaganda.

The Republicans aren't the ones with those signs "In this house, we believe science is real, women's rights are human rights, etc"

So how do you know, did you ask each and every woman?

And their collective reason was all the same? Thry did not think for themselves because women are just a vehicle to other people's thinking for them? They don't have permission to think for themselves?

I see a lot of people saying "this isn't a big issue and people didn't vote on gender stuff". I agree that many people didn't vote on gender stuff - I'm a fully paid up sex realist and even I didn't vote on gender stuff.

BUT. All the gender stuff has gone a long way towards making me, personally, trust the Democrats a lot less than I did in the years when I was voting for Obama and Hilary. If they're willing to lie to themselves and to me about gender stuff and crucially, expect ME to actually believe the lies or be accused of bigotry, then what else are they willing to lie to me about. Same for their insistence that Biden was sharp as a tack.

To paraphrase George Jones, who am I to believe: them, or my lying eyes?

This is the kind of thing that makes people talk about "blue MAGA".

Yep, this is exactly why most people voted Trump. At least he’s not delusional and trying to rewrite biology.

i have zero issue with people choosing to live however they choose - so long as it’s their choice and hasn’t been influenced by a predator, and they’re not harming anyone/becoming the predator. That goes for any lifestyle choice tbh

The left has unfortunately gone to the extreme of if a child is claiming to be an airplane, they insist on sticking wheels & wings on them

You would think so royalcorgi but it seems that people cannot see this. Which shows how accurate your and other’s assessment is.

The polarised language used by political party influencers (meaning elected representatives, party executives, and so on) to denigrate those who disagree has been concerning. Calling people fascists, morons, nazis, far right etc was never going to be a winning strategy but it does seem to make some people feel good short term. Maybe this result will actually open up lines of discussion again.

I find it farcical that anyone would vote for a rapist who also speaks so openly about being fine with sexual assault and then claiming you care about women’s rights, but that’s just me.

No, not just you.

The book is awful and I hope it and others like it go

Idk how much this stuff helped Trump win but it could be part of general push back

But the Democrats wouldn't have won the election by appealing to you. They needed to appeal to the electorate in general. Trump won because they failed to do that. A big part of this was that their campaigning was over-targeted on voters they already had in the bag.

Like it or not, trans people exist and have kids. Those kids will interact with other kids and it helps if the other kids have some basic understanding of the fact that trans people exist.

I think those books look crap but you do kids a disservice if you just pretend this whole issue isn't there.

Yes, this won't be the primary issue, but it does feature as a part of a wider rejection of identity politics and all that goes with it. Campaigns by people like Riley Gaines have been quite prominent in the U.S, and Megyn Kelly has also been very vocal and has quite a profile.

No one cares that trans people exist. They care about males not going into spaces and sports where they have no right to be, regardless of how they 'identify'. Humans can't change sex.

They do, though.......culture has played a very important role, it is not not just economics. People are also rejecting that privileged West/East coast liberalism and all that goes with it.