This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

Yes it looked like a low resolution video so I wasn’t sure.

I did wonder whether the Dobbs decision was going to cause real mischief to the Trump campaign because it hadn't gone down well with a large part of the electorate. However, two things happened. The first was that even among those concerned about it, for many it wasn't priority no.1. The second was that the Democrats made it priority no.1 and put it at the centre of their campaigning. (Until at the very end they switched to shouting "Trump is a fascist!" at every opportunity.) As a result, the Democrats put a great deal of time, money, and effect into an important issue that wasn't decisive and the Trump campaign was hitting the mark better in terms of the most important concerns of the electorate.

With this stuff I'm reminded of a physics lesson way back when and good old Newton, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The left kept pushing, the right pushed back.

I always think the parents who are dismissive must have one of those solid pink or blue kids. A die hard fairy princess or a fanatical footballer. Because STILL there's so little else in kid culture. If you're a parent to a kid who doesn't fit those molds, and especially if they're also autistic/ gay then it is scary! Children believe what they're told by adults in school. Children take on board the messages from peers earnestly asking if they're now the opposite sex because of the presentation they had at school last week.

The issue here is the pink/blue society. That’s what needs to be addressed.

Aye, thing is a lot of left leaning parties don't realise that the attempts to shut down sensible conversations and raise valid concerns mean that many people who agree that it's madness don't want to speak out about it. It doesn't mean the majority agree, it means they are silenced; but it's been clear all along it's a loud minority that have been pushing for this, the rest are sick of it. The pendulum seems to be swinging now.

Those poor women with those poor little heads, let us tell them why they voted.

Well yes, but things have regressed with the notion of gender and being able to switch between being amplified because for that to be true, there needs to be stereotypes to cling to.

But it hasn’t just been left leaning parties shutting this down, until fairly recently it was ALL parties.

A lot of people are saying, how can people vote for Trump when he's a rapist, a liar, a convicted felon etc? Which is an entirely reasonable point of view, of course.

But an important point about US politics, I think, is that there are only two candidates. It's not as if you have the option to vote for your ideal candidate. So you vote for the one you dislike the least. And it turns out that 74m people preferred the rapist to Kamala Harris, because he was offering something she wasn't.

God that's awful. Her poor family.

Thankfully, the Cass report has said that there is zero evidence for children committing suicide due to a trans identity. So it shouldn't be the basis for any kind of policy.

My heart goes out to the child's family, though. Devastating.

I watched an interview Jordan Peterson did recently with a disaffected Trudeu MP. One of the things that he mentioned in passing was around how significant contempt is as an emotion - in marriage counseling, when you see something like one partner rolling his or her eyes at the other, 90%+ of those couples will be divorced in a years time.

Contempt is just a totally fracturing emotion in any relationship, almost impossible to come back from.

I think that across many countries, the progressive left have given a strong sense that they have contempt for anyone who does not share their views, and also people in certain categories. Working class men being a major one. Religious people, specifically Christians.

Part of the reason Obama was as successful as he was, was because he didn't make people feel that way, in fact he very much played to the opposite - (his performance this election was shocking because of how he abandoned that.)

But HC really came out with arms swinging with the whole contempt thing, and I don't think the Democrats have recovered. Harris I don't think has fallen into that trap to the same degree, but also hasn't managed to shed that.

Part of it isn't down to the official candidates either. It's the sense the left media, and the people like this, the professional middle class managers and such, give to all of those who they encounter who don't have the right beliefs and also, right demographic characteristics.

Recovering from the sense that the liberal managerial class despises them will be very very difficult. People don't forget that, and you can't argue it away with policy either.

Reporting for dangerous misinformation about suicide. "Better an alive daughter than a dead son" is a sick, manipulative and dangerous myth that does nothing to protect children who claim trans identities.

That's what the child wrote in a final post, that parents and others were not supportive and that's why they were doing this. Maybe something additional was going on at home where there was no kindness at all.

The weaponisation of suicide has severely impacted children and vulnerable people into thinking there are people who hate them and want them to die. They believe Those who are raising alarms hate them.

If any poster wishes to use that weaponisation to support medical transition and social transition for children when this has been proven over and over to have no improvement to their mental health, perhaps they have new evidence that 4 or 5 national level medical research teams didn’t have. And I would be interested in seeing that.

Otherwise, perpetuating that weaponisation of suicide is very harmful to those children.

I would rather we had a world where this gay / neurodivergent child was not misled online into believing they must be trans because they are different from their peers. I would rather they were protected from their own immature brain by adults with their best interests at heart who told them - this is a developmental phase and we will love and support you through it.

Those adults were not the online groomers telling them trans was a magical pathway to joy. In fact those groomers should now be in prison.

Oh absolutely.

But it's definitely got worse.

Nobody told me I was a bloke in the 80s / 90s for playing with my brothers' old toys and wearing their hand me downs.

Yes, but it was being pushed as the main agenda by west coast /progressive, elite women - who, to many, come across as archetypal career oriented 'feminists'. Also lots of young female college students.

I watched an interview, immediately post Trump victory, which involved a quite intimidating female interviewer ( could have been Victoria Derbyshire?), two left wing women ( one a Labour MP, the other an American Democrat); a Republican woman, and an English, male Conservative MP. The atmosphere was taught and brittle and the two Democrat women could barely contain their contempt for the polite Republican woman, and the male MP was scared to even talk - due the two 'furies' on either side.

The Erinyes, also known as the Eumenides (commonly known in English as the Furies), are chthonic goddesses of vengeance in ancient Greek religion and mythology. A formulaic oath in the Iliad invokes them as "the Erinyes, that under earth take vengeance on men

due the two 'furies' on either side

I initially read that as:

due the two 'furries' on either side

That's what the child wrote in a final post, that parents and others were not supportive and that's why they were doing this.

You should never consider suicide as a causal thing. It's multi factorial. I would look at who the child was talking to online, and what sort of media they were consuming.

haha!

That would have been fun to watch.

So did I!

What a shame the mental healthcare wasn’t available to help this child be happy with their biological sex, which cannot be changed. It sounds like her parents are to be applauded for not affirming the delusions but more help was needed to get the child through puberty when a lot of this settled down. Confiscating phones and blocking access to social media : news sources / Dems who peddle those harms might have helped too.