On Mermaids having to listen to Cass: “ This is so blatant and evil I have no idea why decent human beings let this happen.”

[Zahariel]

Cross posting is poor form.

but.

the responses to Mermaids having to listen to Cass on trans Reddit is just staggering and I think an important window into the minds of the people furthest in on this delusion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1gb26kv/charity_commission_is_instructing_mermaids_and/

“Cass and her supporters need to feck right off already. I'm sick of it being peddled around to try to legitimise crap, especially when it's been widely debunked by the rest of the world and professionals within the UK too. They keep LYING and pretending like it's "soo scientific" when it simply isn't and i'm sick of the lies and i'm sick of the British public slurping those lies up off the boots of the red tories.”

I inadvertently came across a trans discussion on reddit earlier and it made me feel ill. The absolute determination that's it's fine to interfere with children's development along with the condemnation of those urging caution was disturbing. I had to stop reading.

That's social media in this post-factual world for you😡

It's sad but also quite fascinating in a human psychology kind of way. It's like watching a whole group of people stick their fingers in their ears and scream so they can't hear anything but their own voices.
Because this is so new - in terms of this kind of online-dominated bubbles - it's difficult to predict how it will go.
I imagine some will grow up, start doing their own research and realise how badly they got it wrong, especially when some of their peers do.
I also wonder how many will never do, and even as wider society begins to process this and it moves towards history and documentaries of what led to it all, they'll just be left behind determinedly clinging to their little online bubble like those Japanese soldiers in the forests after WW2.
Perhaps it'll just become a more niche, if surprisingly common, belief like flat earthism or astrology.

The Japanese soldiers metaphor is the best so have ever heard. Absolutely 100% that

JKR tweet about when you grow up comes to mind as does a line out of Shakespeare.

He struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
and then is heard no more
it is a tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury

Signifying nothing

My bag of popcorn is on permanent alert.

My advice is stop reading Reddit.

I'm feeling a bit down because I heard tonight that one of my dds male school friends now IDs as a woman (early 20s). It just feels like an endless conveyor belt of unhappy youth believing transitioning will solve their problems. Two of my friends who I hoped would be quite terfy now have non-binary daughters so I can't discuss this stuff with them either as they try to remember to use their pronouns correctly. It sounds like trans Reddit feel like things aren't going their way either but I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Ugh mimmymum stirring up the shit again 🙄

The most disheartening aspect is the lack of acknowledgement of what's real. I don't mean just biological facts. I mean everything. This kind of thing: 'pretending like it's "soo scientific" when it simply isn't.'

No concept that just stating it proves nothing. No concept that you're supposed to advance your arguments supporting your statement. No concept that not having any arguments weakens your position. No concept of the scientific method and how well Cass followed it.

If I wanted to argue with that poster, I wouldn't know where to start. There's no shared reality to start from. As Feynman said once, they're not even wrong.

Reminds me of the joke about libertarians being like cats. They're totally dependent on a system they know nothing about and have no interest in learning anything.

InvisibleBuffy - I imagine some will grow up, start doing their own research and realise how badly they got it wrong, especially when some of their peers do.

Or is it that, with this sort of social bubble, people doing their own research and leaving the group are balanced by the stream of newly converted joining?

This might be an unpopular view, but I’m just stating what I believe to be the facts: some people are not intelligent enough to grasp why gender identity ideology is harmful nonsense.

This is not the same as saying that you must be intelligent to see that it is harmful nonsense or that all intelligent people can see that it is.

I was brought up in religion (Catholicism) and once I started thinking for myself, at about the age of 13, was amazed that so many apparently nice, normal and quite intelligent people could so strongly believe in such a lot of quite ridiculous, unevidenced and delusional nonsense, and consciously wish harm on those who disagreed with them. So I’m not really surprised.

Thank you for sharing. I had a look down the list of other issues on the Reddit link. One is about an open letter to Wes Streeting and warrants its own thread so I'll do that now and post the link here.

Here's the link to the thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5195177-open-letter-to-wes-streeting-tras-on-cass-report

Religion remains the best analogy for gender identity IMO. I've heard some great arguments that a belief in reincarnation or ghosts is a better fit, because it directly involves the notion of a soul that is separate from the body, whereas religion indirectly requires this, with the focus instead on the deity. I agree. However, for me, the value of the analogy with religion is the depth of belief and what that leads some people to do.

Obviously not all religious people take a hard line on non-believers (or impose tenets on believers in a hardline way), but both historically and now there are plenty of examples where some do. Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and Scientology all have both historical and modern examples of this. Protestants have quite the history too, including of course Cromwell and the puritans (who got rid of singing, celebrating Christmas and other fun things).

Actually this is even worse

”There is nothing left. They've simply scrapped all healthcare and replaced it with conversion therapy.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1gbj3lv/there_is_nothing_left_theyve_simply_scrapped_all/

what is the solution to the communication gap here?

these people are desperately sad and crying out for help and I truly want to help them

I totally agree - from another atheist at 13, lapsed Catholic! The misogyny is another common factor to most religions and gender guff.

It is desperately sad, but I feel at an impasse at times, as pp has said upthread, they wish hate, violence and total annihilation on those who disagree with them.
'Kill/decapitate all terfs'?
I'm now at the stage where I struggle to think they should get any attention or engagement.
Look at all the posters who however well they capitulate to their family member it's never enough and they're always being told they are wrong or abusive.

I was watching Criminal Minds last night and the episode was about Morgelions disease. It is a phenomenon where sufferers believe there are fibres under their skin and is believed to be a social contagion spread via the internet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons The similarities with the spread of gender ideology is very interesting.

Looking the trans Reddit, it is very evident that it is populated by people with poor mental health, amongst other things.

There also seems to be a fair number of trans-identifying men in their thirties who spend all day in their bedrooms at their parents house. It's quite sad really.

I imagine if she stopped for one moment to think about the momentousness of how she’s destroyed her female child’s life and health, she would never recover. She has to keep telling herself it’s all lies and she’s a good person.

nonethless, she’s evil for demanding other people’s children as sacrifices to prop up her delusion.

And looking at her other comments seems to be plugging a new gender clinic as Gender GP circles the toilet bowl....

I have a personal theory about religion. It's the mental equivalent of "the devil makes work for idle hands" I'm not religious so I don't believe in the devil literally, but I agree with the meaning of the saying.
My theory is that. Religion was borne out of - If you leave big empty spaces in people's brains, you have no idea what kind of shit that's gonna end up in there. Best fill it full of usefull stuff instead. I think religion started as a form of social cohesion. A value belief system designed to be beneficial to society as a whole. A set of rules/basic laws to help everyone get along.
e.g. Don't be a dick to other people, hurt them, or take their stuff. Just because you're bigger or stronger doesn't mean its ok to use violence to get what you want. Being unselfish e.g. sharing can be good for everyone. If you share with someone when they have none, maybe they will share back with you when you have none. If everyone shares with everyone, no one will go without. etc......
You can see a lot of this in religious stories, parables, folklore from every race of people around the world from indigenous people like the Maori to the main religions. It's everywhere, or it was everywhere.
It would have been more important than ever in the context of the age religions were invented. Just staying alive was hard work. Food aquistion, food storage, travel, war, lack of codified law and enforcement, disease, no medical knowledge. Surviving each day was an achievment.
In our modern age we face almost none of this ( in first world countries ). There is almost no need for societal rules packaged as religion to help us survive each day. The space in our brains that needed to be filled with useful rules to make society work is no longer needed. You can fill that brain space with whatever you want.
We are seeing the result of letting this brain space fill with shit.
Religion is often abused for immoral aims, they still are now as much as they ever have been in history, but one of their original purposes - social cohesion - is important and not immoral. The majority of people don't need religion to folllow societally beneficial rules. Penn from Penn and Teller's famous quote is a great example of this "The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero." But for some people the guidance religion provides can be of great help and comfort. It is these people who need something constructive filling the space in their brains least something destructive fills the void instead.
We are seeing the result of letting this brain space fill with shit.

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I used to be Christian and still have a lot of shared values with this religion. Likewise with Islam, where many of the values are the same... and seem to come from the same origins e.g. the relevance of Abraham and Jesus in both religions (although obviously Jesus is a prophet in the latter, not the son of deity).

They are people who have genuinely been let down by chronic mental heath underfunding, 100% sure of it. The awful thing is they think chopping their tits off will make all of their problems go away