On Mermaids having to listen to Cass: “ This is so blatant and evil I have no idea why decent human beings let this happen.”

[Zahariel]

Cross posting is poor form.

but.

the responses to Mermaids having to listen to Cass on trans Reddit is just staggering and I think an important window into the minds of the people furthest in on this delusion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1gb26kv/charity_commission_is_instructing_mermaids_and/

“Cass and her supporters need to feck right off already. I'm sick of it being peddled around to try to legitimise crap, especially when it's been widely debunked by the rest of the world and professionals within the UK too. They keep LYING and pretending like it's "soo scientific" when it simply isn't and i'm sick of the lies and i'm sick of the British public slurping those lies up off the boots of the red tories.”

Just going back to "getting their tits chopped off"

There is the affirming description "chest masculinisation".

There is the coquettish description "top surgery".

There is the medical description "double mastectomy".

The bottom line is that young women are getting their tits chopped off and if this makes you feel a little squeamish then you need to grow the fuck up.

Great post.

I would still advocate that there are different ways to approach this. Some people respond better to "blunt" language, others are pushed further away by it because it can feel unkind. Ultimately it's a combination of all the different voices and styles that make a difference.

I’d like to see the evidence for that!!!

I’m childless & I know several women on FWR are as well and personally I find this whole thing utterly fucking outrageous

I also note that some of the strongest cheerleaders - sucie green, mimmy birthing person, IW, David tennant, Joanne harris etc are all parents

TLDR I’m childless im not a sociopath

@Theeyeballsinthesky love your name, think it is redickidoodulus to suggest that most women without children are all TWAW.

no data obvs.

This is true. Which is why a range of voices are needed and I think we have achieved this. As you can attest to.

We certainly have. This funny little corner of the internet is often described as an echo chamber. I've received plenty of eye rolls IRL when I say it's really not and that it's where robust and interesting conversations take place.
Having a range of different voices, including some disagreement along the way, moves the whole conversation on for the better.

Its almost as if free speech in a democracy works...

...today is frightening.

...today is frightening.

Literally today.... the impossible choice in the US between a man who seems to think women are purely there for the enjoyment of men and a woman who seems to think men who identify as women should enter women's sports and spaces (and get state funding for "sex change" operations while in women's prisons)?

Or metaphorically today... where we're being nudged towards further entrenchment of gender identity belief as factually true e.g. the upcoming conversion therapy bill and the seeming refusal to stop it being taught as fact in schools?

Or both?

Regardless, I agree. Aside from the common sense coming through in healthcare via the Cass Report and Wes Streeting's epiphany, there's a lot to be concerned about regarding free speech and what that can lead to.

No you're absolutely spot-on there, Justwrong68, not only are they childless, but most of them are cat-ladies as well😁

Bugger!! I am childless but I don’t have a cat 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ perhaps I could get my pot plant to identify as a cat

I used to have a cat, does that count?

I'd love to have a cat 🐈, how about me?

I used to be single and childless does that count

I used to have a cat, and was also childless at one time, but these two conditions did not coincide.

Honestly, you can do anything with statistics.

Would be cat lady & childless bc I'm only 18, so ..😀

So this must be you ... young, lovely and surrounded by imaginary felines

inkymoose, perfect! Except I will have much shorter hair soon. Just wish the cats were real!

I think that the trans debate has been a successful wedge issue on both the right AND the left wing of US politics. The right wing has brazenly stoked up a moral panic to frighten moderates and undecideds into voting Trump even though they don't like him, and the left wing has used it as an ideological purity test to drive the non-believers out of the Democratic party. They key moment was the release of the Cass report. In the UK, Starmer accepted the report. In Scotland, the SNP split with the Greens and then booted their leader. But Biden and Harris showed weak leadership and failed to distance themselves from the over-the-top responses of the radical TRAs. This left the Democrats in the same place as Labour under Corbyn in 2019, even though they had moderates as their incumbent President and their Presidential candidate. Johnson was never as popular as his supporters claimed, but he was running against a militant socialist Labour movement that many centrist and swing voters had become afraid of. Anti-Corbynism may not be why Boris won, but it's a big part of why he won so easily. Starmer is not a popular man, but he recognised this fear and very deliberately put clear water between his leadership and the loony left. When the Tories attempted US-style "culture wars" it didn't get them very far at all. But Harris failed to show that she wasn't afraid of the militants, instead turning a blind eye to them and giving the religious right and the conspiracy-theory propagandists free rein to amp up the fearmongering. Trump in 2024 nearly had it as easy as Boris did in 2019, and so he won despite his very, very obvious failings.

Nail on the head. I'm torn on Starmer, but I'm v grateful he's at least sane.. Mind you, that should be the minimum..

Agreed re nail on the head.

However, I'm not convinced he's completely sane. Just less insane than others. He still doesn't seem sure of his opinion on any of this, which means his sanity is also unclear.

As a palate cleanser and food for thought, one of my children stumbled across a hilarious parody in which nobody comes out sounding completely sane. It's AI-generated and anyone familiar with Minecraft (I've been introduced to it by my children) will appreciate how the gameplay has been used as a backdrop for the political satire: I love it that Farage is completely untrustworthy and using TNT on everything and Starmer is constantly disappointed at the Commons being remodelled. The digs at the WFA debacle, Boris/partygate and other political nonsense are great.

There are a few of them in the "series". The above is the Halloween one. I hope they do something with Kemi Badenoch in it and also a US election special 🤞🤞

I think this is a really good lens to view it through.

Harris didn't disvow when she could have.

If Harris had said that on January 7th she'd have reinstated sex into Title X
And had said Levine was not going to be on her team
(both entirely her decision)
She'd have picked up the Gen X women she lost (as per the polling data)

Exactly! WHY?

Bonfire, that's hilarious.
Yes, I agree that Starmer isn't exactly sane precisely bc he's not clear where he stands.. Where did we get to the stage where biological sex is taboo? The whole world is insane, maybe?

This sounds like a reasonable assertion. Is there specific polling data that demonstrates this?