Open letter to Wes Streeting: TRAs on Cass Report

[BonfireLady]

Diva Magazine is sharing an open letter to Wes Streeting dated 15th October which asks him to disregard the Cass Report and reinstate access to puberty blockers for "trans children".

The link to the letter is available from this page (via the Transactual website link within it):

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/10/17/open-letter-issued-to-health-secretary-by-trans-community/

The usual suspects are signatories.... plus several members of the NHS and university lecturers. Readers are invited to add their name to the letter.

Thanks, just laughable, is all i can say really.

Ironically Diva magazine are also celebrating homophobic hate crime diva-magazine.com/2024/10/17/lets-talk-about-direct-action-in-the-fight-for-lgbtqia-rights/

(some of) These are supposedly educated adults with jobs that the rest of us rely on to be discharged responsibly. They have an absolute responsibility to know what the fuck they are talking about. If they genuinely think Cass is flawed then they need to present the evidence they have for that, but it really needs to be much better than ‘I don’t like the outcome’

That's quite a list of signatories.

How are that many, seemingly intelligent people, still brainwashed? You'd think with the mounting evidence from the horses mouth (detransitioners) they would start to exercise more caution. But no. Still advocating for harming kids!

And that's not to mention the suppressed report on the lack of evidence of a link with suicide that was reported yesterday.

Are they so far in their echo chamber they can't critically think any more?

Oh dear
What a list of experts; including the usual names! Unbelievable really

It's really not many at all in the grand scheme of things. 100 signatories is barely a drop in the ocean. I doubt Wes Streeting is going to pay it the slightest bit of attention. The Great Barrington Report got over 30,000 signatures including many self-declared health professionals (rightly or wrongly, I'm just using it as an example for the numbers) and was ignored because it didn't fit with what the proper reports said.

This is some who's-ever-heard-of-it two-bit "magazine" where the editor has got less signatories than the average person has FB friends. In absence of a proper verification process, some of those signatories could be the editor writing lots of different names to make it look more popular, although I'm not sure it's that hard to find 100 people in a country of 60+ million who agree with any given fringe ideology. Some of the lesser-known health professionals could well be people who self-identify as health professionals because they spend a lot of time at A+E. There'll be a handful of the usual suspects signing this, then the rest? Who knows.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about. Wes Streeting probably doesn't even read "Diva Magazine". It doesn't sound like a very credible source.

I don't think it's anything to worry about either, Streeting will ignore.

I'm still marvelling at the fact that so many academics still stand for harming kids in the face of the evidence.

I think they're definitely over-egging the qualifications a bit. One person's put their MEng on, as if that carries any weight in this debate. Others have just put the university they studied at to make it look like they represent it, maybe they didn't complete undergrad, who knows? Another is a lecturer in criminology. It's very hard to take them seriously. Proponents of self-id giving themselves lots of big long important-sounding titles. Hmm... I wonder how many of them are really academics. There are definitely some on the list but perhaps not as many as it initially appears from so many people using the "Dr." title.

I want to sign it Dr. Bob Smith, BA, B(TEC), AS, A2, GCSE(hons), Cert. Attendance (100%), Mus (Grade 1). But I won't, of course, because I wouldn't want them to think they had more signatories.

Yes, there were many things that leapt out to me in the letter. That was one of the major ones.

Here's the link to the government doc which makes it clear that there has been no increase in suicides relating to the prescription of puberty blockers being stopped:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

Another one that leapt out (there were so many 🤦‍♀️) was the assertion that trans people hadn't been involved in the Cass Review. Baroness Cass made it really clear that she talked to hundreds. She explains it all brilliantly in this Q&A with the Scottish parliament:

I don't think it's anything to worry about either, Streeting will ignore.

Agreed. I the thread from a "look what's being said" (and who is putting their name to it) perspective.

It's fascinating to see what the power of belief - in this case, the belief that we all have a gender identity - can lead people to say. It's a charter that puts belief over medical evidence.... like something from centuries ago where we might expect to see doctors explaining how to identify possession by the devil. Only the "joke" is that it's happening today and there are professionals in the field of psychiatry and other medical professions who think it's important that it's said. Bonkers.

*I started the thread...

I was too late to catch that typo with the edit button.

I rather liked seeing
Willow Dziedzic, Their Majesty’s Royal Government of Hokoria

In terms of 'bigging up' their qualifications I did a brief search on one with the NMC - have redacted name

states is: Psychiatric nurse (Children and Adult), trainee Psychodynamic Counsellor)

on the register is Registered nurse (adult) - therefore is not a qualified mental health nurse and does not have any specific qualification to work with children either.

It's quite possible they work in this area, beyond their registration - but this would generally be under the supervision of someone qualified in the speciality.

So yes, I believe some are 'self described'

Agree with everyone. Once you remove the men claiming to be women who are desperate that other people's children should be transitioned, the parents of some of these children unable to face their own complicity in the damage done to so many children plus all the self identified from "university of random bollocks" it's hard to see many with respected qualifications in the field of paediatric medicine / child psychology or safeguarding.

But it's an interesting exercise in how entitled these people are to expect medical care for children to be run according to their own niche ideological demands - no matter what the consequences for children are.

OMG! I had no idea that such a "state" existed....!

https://micronations.wiki/wiki/State_of_Hokoria

This letter (and now this thread 😂) really is utter madness.

I had a read to educate myself, thinking this might be a real place e.g. one of the islands of Micronesia, and it gets even better. The "state" (actually someone's bedroom in Yeadon by the sounds of it) was "founded" by the same person claiming to sign this open letter:

"Hokoria was founded on 11 March 2023, through the foundation of the Central Government of Hokoria, by Willow Cizdeizd I"

My day has just been made.

Self ID, ladies and gentlemen.

Interesting to see Dr Leigh Downes of the Open University on the list of signatories. Downes made quite a pitiful appearance in the Jo Phoenix employment tribunal and came across as a self-important, mean bully. Surprised Dr Downes is not keeping a low profile but I guess with that kind of reputation it doesn’t really matter anymore … that said, many of the usual academic names are not on there, I wonder if some came to their senses.

many of the usual academic names are not on there

Hines and Kennedy are signatories, of course…Although, I admit I didn't scan for Kennedy's other publication name (Hellen).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6145781/University-researcher-asked-Facebook-group-circulate-list-academics-disagreed-her.html

An easy solution presents itself....

Everyone on the letter needs to move to Hokoria (following the building of an extension if it is currently a single bedroom state).

Then the state declares the implementation of Cass unlawful as per the letter. They could even implement this approach to healthcare instead:

https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

@StickItInTheFamilyAlbum When you put it that way, the open letter they've all signed is effectively them circulating their own list of... individuals for us all to see and recognise for who and what they are. What an own goal.

(I'm saying individuals here, but I encourage everyone to mentally insert a more accurate describing word as you see fit, I'm just no longer sure which words are allowed when describing a particular group).

Ps I appreciate that there is a serious issue here. We're seeing a medical scandal, the scale of which is almost impossible to comprehend. We're going to see it continuing to unfold as more detransitioners come forward over the next few years.... some of whom are yet to even take an irreversible medical step but are on that pathway, supported by medical professionals and others 😢

My dark humour is how I keep myself from feeling overwhelmed by it all.

@BonfireLady Yes, me too. The base situation is horrific and I hope none of my comments have detracted from that, I have a very dark sense of humour sometimes and this open letter has just been the gift that keeps on giving today.

After all, as JKR wrote, the way to get rid of a Boggart trying to scare you with your worst fears is the Riddikulous spell, which makes it funny.

”I think they're definitely over-egging the qualifications a bit”

Its all a bit Arnold J Rimmer BSc SSc

... and his revision timetable...

It's amazing how much can be delayed achieved by spending lots of time thinking about how things should be done. However, this letter highlights that we're past a tipping point in the UK where this approach will no longer work. Wes Streeting is in a position where he can ignore it and the public won't see that as controversial. Filibustering/procrastination won't work.