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Thelnebriati · 30/09/2024 11:32

As the saying goes - I did, thats why I'm a terf!

Why are they saying most trans people have sex reassignment surgery? Its a bit ironic to call out the flaws in a program and start with a false argument.

nauticant · 30/09/2024 11:33

It that article from the US part of the Guardian?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2024 11:34

This article is golden.

"For our own part, trans women are curious about cisgender folk, too. We want to know things like: do you actually think I’m female, or am I just a deluded guy in a dress to you?"

You don't actually want someone to feel they can freely answer that, do you?

TofuTart · 30/09/2024 11:41

I think it sounds like an interesting programme, thanks for the exposure. Would like to give it a watch

unwashedanddazed · 30/09/2024 11:41

Learn about trans people!

Stop asking questions!

AmeliaEarache · 30/09/2024 11:45

The article is very funny. What a self-obsessed, entitled twerp.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 30/09/2024 11:46

Jesus

sadly I think I might be inspecting my split ends as an alternative to being “educated.” Permanently.

TofuTart · 30/09/2024 11:49

Well, I'm in the minority it seems but I like to learn about other people, their life stories, their experiences, and realise we're all different people, individuals.
I don't see that as "being told off to educate yourself, what a bizarre take.

BettyBooper · 30/09/2024 11:49

nauticant · 30/09/2024 11:33

It that article from the US part of the Guardian?

No, the UK. In Culture.

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NunyaBeeswax · 30/09/2024 11:51

The writer of that article is... Not at all biased. Nope.

Doesn't make a living from pushing the trans narrative and isn't at all trans themselves.

It's a fair and even review of a Netflix pos.

Worldgonecrazy · 30/09/2024 11:51

Like many women, it was educating myself in this area that made me a terf.

So yes, I’m all for education in this area. Sunlight and all that!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2024 11:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2024 11:34

This article is golden.

"For our own part, trans women are curious about cisgender folk, too. We want to know things like: do you actually think I’m female, or am I just a deluded guy in a dress to you?"

You don't actually want someone to feel they can freely answer that, do you?

Uh huh.

An honest answer to those questions would have them wailing "transphobia!"

Don't ask a question you don't want to know the answer to.

Bannedontherun · 30/09/2024 11:51

I think i will give the show a swerve.

NunyaBeeswax · 30/09/2024 11:51

BettyBooper · 30/09/2024 11:49

No, the UK. In Culture.

Wrotten by a trans woman in California who works as a therapist for trans people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2024 11:52

The Guardian are pushing this hard, even though their reviewers seem underwhelmed by it as a film. From an interview they did:

"Before her transition, the Iowa-born Steele regarded the dive bars, diners and sports grounds of middle America as comforting spaces, and would routinely drive across the United States to observe and converse with the people there. As a trans woman, however, she no longer felt welcome or secure in many of the venues that once made her happy; in the film, Ferrell acts as her wingman, effectively reintroducing her to her happy place."

None of these males seem to have given any consideration that most actual women wouldn't have found these spaces "comforting" or easy to exist in. Or often "welcome" or "secure".

EdithStourton · 30/09/2024 11:53

TofuTart · 30/09/2024 11:49

Well, I'm in the minority it seems but I like to learn about other people, their life stories, their experiences, and realise we're all different people, individuals.
I don't see that as "being told off to educate yourself, what a bizarre take.

I've read a lot about trans over the past few years, listened to interviews, and even know some actual trans people.

But the second I see the word 'cis' I'm outta there. My expectation on seeing that word (red rag to, er, a cow) is that this programme will peddle the usual crap about how a trans person can magically become a member of the opposite sex and I just don't buy it.

Floisme · 30/09/2024 11:53

I'll watch it, even though I'm not cis (I don't have a gender identity) but on condition that Esposito watches 'Behind the Looking Glass'.

SomewhereAround · 30/09/2024 11:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2024 11:34

This article is golden.

"For our own part, trans women are curious about cisgender folk, too. We want to know things like: do you actually think I’m female, or am I just a deluded guy in a dress to you?"

You don't actually want someone to feel they can freely answer that, do you?

You're a deluded guy in a dress as far as I'm concerned, and while I'm more than happy for you to knock yourself out with high heels and mascara, I do not want you in my single-sex spaces, eligible for single-sex prizes, in single-sex events, or to engage in legally eroding the category of womanhood to the point where it endangers the hard-fought rights I spent my teens and twenties working for. And do not insult me by pretending that you have the faintest idea what it is like to be a woman, and that you are unaware that you are using your male privilege to disadvantage and actually endanger women. Actual women.

Lovelyview · 30/09/2024 11:55

That's great. Definitely watch the Will Ferrell film. You might also be interested in Behind The Looking Glass a documentary on YouTube which covers the experiences of women whose husbands say they are trans women. It's an excellent film.

dottiehens · 30/09/2024 11:56

i invite you not to watch this.

dottiehens · 30/09/2024 11:57

May be time to not watch any films with Will F.

SomewhereAround · 30/09/2024 11:59

dottiehens · 30/09/2024 11:57

May be time to not watch any films with Will F.

Well, that's not exactly a sacrifice.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2024 12:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2024 11:52

The Guardian are pushing this hard, even though their reviewers seem underwhelmed by it as a film. From an interview they did:

"Before her transition, the Iowa-born Steele regarded the dive bars, diners and sports grounds of middle America as comforting spaces, and would routinely drive across the United States to observe and converse with the people there. As a trans woman, however, she no longer felt welcome or secure in many of the venues that once made her happy; in the film, Ferrell acts as her wingman, effectively reintroducing her to her happy place."

None of these males seem to have given any consideration that most actual women wouldn't have found these spaces "comforting" or easy to exist in. Or often "welcome" or "secure".

I always think this.

You live your life as a man, with male privilege. Then one day you decide you're going to be a woman now.

Once visibly transitioned you find yourself subjected to abuse and harassment, you feel less safe, you miss the male privilege.

And what do you put it down to? "Transphobia" of course!

Mate, you said you wanted to live as a woman. How do you think women live?

TofuTart · 30/09/2024 12:01

dottiehens · 30/09/2024 11:57

May be time to not watch any films with Will F.

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