Listen up cis people! Educate yourselves!

[BettyBooper]

Read this and be told!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/sep/30/will-ferrell-harper-steele-netflix-documentary

It's because I met an XY in an XX group that I am opposed to XY in XX spaces.
The XY was absolutely self obsessed, the XY was banned from a stricter XX group for showing porn on his phone to vulnerable XX

A dress does NOT make someone an XX. Not do fake boobs or even an orchidectomy.

From the article :

' It’s uniquely vulnerable, to feminize your appearance and your personality, and to put yourself out there for the world’s approval. You are doing the one thing that – for your whole life – you have been absolutely screamed at to never, ever do. You are going against every last survival instinct you have, because it’s the only way.'

Welcome to the world of women, honey. And you know who made the world that way? MEN!

This is what I think, being a woman means harassment, inequality and abuse from men. Be careful what you wish for, you might not like it when you get it.

But, unlike women, if trans women really don't like it they can just go back to presenting as male and enjoying again. (I'm not sure why this suggestion tends to elicit shocked gasps when I say it to trans activists.)

This. Use all the pronouns and names you like, but don't label me as 'Cis'. I'm a woman.

I don't really want to know "what it's like to have a surgeon rearrange your genitals". Indeed I would much rather not know what this is like.

Exactly. I would never be upset by someone calling me a man because I know it's not true. The reason he would be upset by being called a man is because he knows it is true.

My opinion is that "woman" means adult female human and "man" means adult male human.

I don't have a gender identity myself and so I don't want to be defined as one of a group of people whose gender identity is "woman". I don't see the point of "women plus trans women" as a category. What is it for? We are different groups with differing needs.

Not sure how talking to trans people would make any difference to that opinion.

Well because they've been a girl all along of course.
They absolutely haven't made the most of male privilege, got the career, the family and now can be an out creep stunning and brave transwoman.

Also worth noting that Ferrell has no skin in the game.

He can happily poke his friend's boobs and ask all the questions with nothing more than prurient interest and bon homie, it's never going to affect him. He is not sexually vulnerable to his friend and the men right behind him, it's not him who will have to take his clothes off in front of said friend whether they consent or not, or lose access to the space, plus any other man because if it's his dear little friend its every bloke.

He and his friend aren't in the least bothered about affecting women, or the dehumanising of labelling them convenient to his friend's needs, or expecting if they're just trained and informed on his friend's wishes they have nothing better to do with their time and lives than run to provide him with the services he requires.

It's not a pretty picture either are making of themselves, and hugely lacking in basic self awareness or any real concept of women as equally human.

Of course. 🙄

The thing is, female people who identify as trans men or non binary can't opt out of misogyny. They are still harassed and objectified because they are female. They are still at risk.

If female oppression is something you can choose to identify into but can't choose to identify out of, the people who choose to identify into it are still better off than the ones who have no choice, aren't they?

So stop with all this "most oppressed and vulnerable" crap.

I assumed that was a sarcastic op!

They only want us to answer if we say what they want. To me they will always be deluded men in dresses. If you want me to call you Ruth then I will. If you want me to think you are a biological woman ....Well no. You're a man who's changed his name to Ruth.

ElleWoods15

Getting to know members a group of people can increase understanding of that group. Most of the time, this results in greater sympathy and understanding. Which is a good thing.

But we don't refuse to accept MCW as women because we don't like them, or don't know any, or don't know anything about them, or we are prejudiced against them. Even if they were all, to a man, as nice as pie, they would still be men. Pretending that they can change into women harms society, especially women and children, which is why we won't go along with the lie.

The temptation is strong......

Oh no! Women having an opinion without getting permission first! Nurse, the smelling salts!

Why would I need to talk to a transwoman to know he's a man?

Besides, the ones I come across are generally at women's rights events and are likely to punch me.

And are ‘cis’ people really that curious about trans women? Having an opinion doesn’t equal curiosity.

Knowing what I do about what motivates many of them, "curious" isn't really the word I would use.

What a load of misogynistic propaganda.

OK I watch a lot of what turns out to be mindnumbingly boring stuff on Netflix.

After watching Will and Harper I shall file it in the mindnumbingly boring stuff category.

Along with more or less everything featuring the guy from Elf.

I don't feel educated to any degree more than I was before.

I've spoken to lots of men in my life. I don't give a monkeys if they identify as not men I just want them to stay out of female only spaces.

One question- what does ‘live as a woman’ mean?
I’d genuinely love to hear the answer to that one

I hate the term CIS - is that meant to be some sort of acronym? Why can't we be people rather than 'CIS' people?

I don't care what anyone calls themselves or does to their body as long as its not hurting other's - that's their choice.

But my choice is not to be labelled with the word 'CIS' because I don't want to change sexes.

You can chop bits off, push bags of silicone in, take hormones and wear pink from head to toe and a bad wig but YOU CANNOT CHANGE SEX.It is a biological impossibility. You will die the sex you were born. No amount of anything with ever change that. Oh and every woman you meet will know instantly that you aren't one.

But, unlike women, if trans women really don't like it they can just go back to presenting as male and enjoying again.

Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all yeah

Etc

https://genius.com/Pulp-common-people-lyrics