Listen up cis people! Educate yourselves!

[BettyBooper]

Read this and be told!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/sep/30/will-ferrell-harper-steele-netflix-documentary

The trailer tells me all I need to know, thx very much. I'm certainly not keen to up the viewing rates of two dudes who see nothing wrong with inane sexist jokes about women and their driving skills (interesting dude 3, the reviewer dude, didn't pick up on that one, or maybe not so surprising after all.)

Oh and it's "transwomen" who are at risk of being other educated. Of course.

It's a joke!

For me, I used to buy into trans ideology as a lefty guardian reading person.

Then I spotted something that didn't look right about kids with trans identities. Special interest to me because a) I work with kids and b) I have a non conforming kid. I thought what I saw was a mistake or a misdirection. I asked about online and IRL, was told to "educate myself". I did and now I see the huge logical, unscientific, misogynist and homophobic failures with the iteration of trans ideology that the mainstream press peddles.

But you're definitely not the minority here. You'll see feminists regularly give "exposure" as you call it to articles, posts, books and programmes that they disagree with. We're not for book burnings. And as you are experiencing, you're welcome to post here in disagreement. Mumsnet is great like that!

In the spirit of belief that we all have stuff in common, I love your username and wish I'd thought of it.

Ikr! They never really GET that bit! Or at least PRETEND they don't get it, with a faux naivety I associate with the Dylan Mulvaneys of the world. Prancing about in heels and falling over saying, 'Oh look, I'm such a girrrrrrrl! Tee-hee! How can you not SEEEEEEE my girl hood?'

Fleetwood Mac sum it up:

I can't help about the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to
Oh well

(Personally I'd stop at "guy in a dress". Deluded or not is his problem, not mine.)

"In these moments I burned with indignation for how these people were using Steele for their own satisfaction"

And I'm indignant that you're using my presence for your satisfaction (loos, changing rooms etc etc)

There are two hilarious things about that. One is that, as you say, they really don't want an honest answer (see eg numerous manifestations of the "call me ma'am" phenomenon as proof of this). The other is that their curiosity about cis people extends as far as wanting to know what cis people think about them. Narcissistic, much?

I’m not going to watch it because I’m not a cis person so am clearly not who the film is for.
I am female, and I know for a fact that transwomen are not female. The whole premise for being a transwoman is that you are male but wish you are a woman.
I am not hostile to men wishing to be women. But they are not women, and must therefore not use women’s single sex facilities. Because they are male, and no amount of wishful thinking or cross-sex hormones, or surgeries, can make you change your sex. It is fixed at conception. Just one of those things, I’m afraid.

I’m still for 3rd spaces, where applicable.
And I have used the phrase «a bloke in a dress», because it is factual.

On the other side you have women wishing they were men. In my limited experience the men around transmen tend not to view them as men. They view them as transmen, or as women dressed up as men. Which is what they are.
What I don’t condone is bullying or violence in any direction.

That reminds me, the other day I saw one of those ridiculous pieces about how some Z list celebrity "wants to sit down with JK Rowling and talk about her views on trans people".

I had never heard of the celebrity so clearly she is much less famous than JK Rowling.

And every time I see a variation on that theme I just think, "Fuck right off. Imagine being so arrogant that you think JK Rowling hasn't really given this any serious thought, that she's just been taken in by some anti-trans propaganda she's read in the right wing media, and that if only you with your giant intellect could have 20 minutes with her, she'd soon see the error of her ways."

From literally a minute or two into the 1hr and 54 minute docuMENtary some of the first words we hear from Wills friend:

"I doubt being a transwoman will change my personality that much, instead of an asshole, I'll be a bitch"

Oh joy!!

I’ve already given it the ‘thumbs down’ on Netflix and hope others will do too.

I came to post that too!!!

So, the premise is a post-transition reclaiming of the previously comfortable male spaces, while simultaneously claiming admission into new female spaces?

Which means all spaces.

Anyone else think that wanting to be positively welcomed and comfortable (perhaps even venerated?) everywhere smacks of narcissism?

WF has one schtick and he does it for every film: "Manchild".

Why? Have you seen it?
Pretty pathetic to do that to something if you haven't watched and are just reacting to from MN posts.
It's the equivalent of someone never reading Harry Potter but thumbs downing them all because they don't like JK Rowling.

Me neither!!

I have watched the film, and it's interesting, but hasn't changed my opinion at all. Live and let live, but not at the cost of women.

🎯

I find it a lot easier to not get riled by instructions to "cis people" by keeping in mind that a "cis person" by definition is someone who believes that gender stereotypes are the criteria by which to judge whether someone is a man or a woman, and who wholeheartedly performs the gender stereotypes of their birth-sex.

I certainly am not cis and I don't believe any of my acquaintances are really, thoigh some of them may choose to use that word of themselves they aren't the ones this instruction is being directed at.

Therefore it's fine to ignore the tantrum.

What a bizarre conclusion. I’m hardly reacting to Mumsnet when I’d already watched a bit of it yesterday afternoon and decided it was exploitative crap and marked it accordingly.

That ok with you? 🙄

"cisgender people are really curious about us trans women"

Maybe the ones that call themselves "cis" are but the rest of us couldn't give a shit. Personally, I just want males to stay out of female single sex provision (no matter how they identify). So I really to not feel the need to watch this. At all.

Here here

This is great - from the review, it sounds like the makers are in the SAS division of Operation Let Them Speak.

Edited - I didn't realise you'd seen some of it already

Transwomen are men who want people to pretend they are a woman while still being treated like a man. If they were treated like a woman then all hell would break loose for the lack of respect and centring in the conversation. I doubt that's the answer this fella wants but as I'm also not cis, he isn't interested in my thoughts.

Will Ferrell being in a film is a good indicator of it being crap so I will continue my trend of not watching anything I know he is in and give this a swerve

also, someone REALLY enjoys the idea that being a man who identifies as a woman is fraught with danger, don't they?

would it reassure him to be told that the statistics don't support his fears do you think?