Why do all trans discussions end in a bun fight?

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I have a natal daughter who is a young adult. I try to keep an open dialogue with her as her thoughts are changing as she gets older.
She is not causing any discord to anyone. I try to help when desparate parents ask simple questions about their LGBTQ DC ( this week it was about getting a job). Within a few hours there are big fights re toilets and rape crisis centres. Yes these things are horrifying but every bloody thread gets high jacked with these points of law. There should be a subject category for parents of adult trans people. This would allow issues to be discussed without the OP being subjected to accusations of ideology or affirmation. I don't believe my DD is better as a male persona but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers. She's still my DC and all subjects are open to reasonable and lawful discussion. MNHQ can you please list a new category so people don't feel attacked and bullied?

Ahahaha “I went to Cambridge thank you”. That’s us told. No more input necessary, the Cambridge grad has spoken. 😂

What do you think being trans is?
According to Stonewall, you first need to accept that there are gender identities that match the two sexes.... would you agree with this @Blanketyre ?

It can identify however it pleases…

I went to a shitty comprehensive in the East End of London (left at 16 to start work) and even I know that humans can't change sex.

Trans is an ideology. And a harmful destructive one at that.

Anyone who says they have a gender identity that must be respected is spouting an ideology that is at odds with concerns with gender stereotypes.

How are you trans? Trans is all about embracing and reinforcing gender stereotypes regardless of how militant someone is. Because otherwise what is the fucking point? How do you present?

Actually, while we're on the subject of definitions of key terms, there is often a lot of confusion between those who still think that "trans" means "wants to be the opposite sex physically" and those who think it means "someone is really a man or woman because of what they're like as a person despite there being no definition of man or woman as a set of characteristics that aren't the physical body, usually because of how they loosely align with notions of femininity or masculinity in their particular culture".

Again. People won't even examine their own understanding of the word.

Mothers want to protect their children. I see huge huge harms happening because of gender ideology and wish to fight against it. HTH.

Are we going to see my earlier answer to "why does it always end in a bunfight?" play out in real time?

I'm not usually wrong about these things...

Could you tell us why you hold the belief that a male human can have a womanly gender soul that overrides the material reality of their biological sex please?

It was the purpose of the thread....

But it comes down to definitions and a refusal to acknowledge to harms.

I would class this comment as anti trans.

“I'm amazed some posters here can't see that or don't care.”

It is hyperbolic to describe this situation as being people upset by ‘a persons existence’. It is also dismissive of the negative impacts that affirming someone’s gender identity has on other people.

What it does seem though, is ignorant to believe that posters don’t have direct experience or knowledge of the situation faced by the OP or that they don’t care.

What do you think being trans is?
According to Stonewall, you first need to accept that there are gender identities that match the two sexes.... would you agree with this?

If you're not sure what trans means, feel free to completely ignore this question.

@Blanketyre

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What 'anti-trans' sentiment? Can you give any examples.

Oh dear. Really?

If you are a regular poster on this board and have convinced yourself that there is no anti trans sentiment, then being so online must have altered your brain chemistry.

No. That's not going to wash here. Give examples of their anti trans sentiment or admit you can't.

Right so you say it’s anti trans but also
can’t say why it’s anti trans. Why say something you can’t back up, define or explain? Makes you look a bit silly.

It’s anti men in women’s spaces and sports, regardless how one identifies. I don’t see any posters rejecting females in their spaces, regardless of how they identify. Trans men are usually autistic. This ideology has allowed males to be in women’s sports despite the physiological differences, to be in and in charge of rape crisis centres where women definitely don’t want to around males, changing rooms where women of particular religions can’t be around males. I don’t want to be in a state of undress either around males. What they identify as doesn’t trump women’s rights to single sex spaces.

It’s a males problem. Not trans.

I could on but to be honest I’m very bored dealing with people like you who trot out ‘waaah you're all anti trans’ without any intelligent reason, examples or debating skills.

Why aren't you asking the poster of this comment if they know what trans is, as they are the one saying trans is harmful?

So you've not got any evidence of the "anti trans sentiment" then just more waffle, allegations and insults.
Funny how it always goes this way when TRAs come on this board and accuse us of transphobia. They never have any receipts because we aren't transphobic, we're just pro women (the old fashioned kind) and anti child experimentation and forced religious conversion

I would class that comment as a well evidenced fact and an example of freedom of speech.

You think an ideology that tells young women they can identify out of womanhood by cutting their hair, wearing “men’s clothes” (whatever they might be beyond trousers and shirts that lots of women wear) taking testosterone so they lose their fertility by entering early menopause and cutting off their healthy breasts isn’t dangerous??

Trans is an ideology. And a harmful destructive one at that

I mean, if that's not anti trans I don't know what is.

Because you said you didn't understand how it was an ideology, so I'm trying to explain.

Do you agree that to be trans you need to believe that there are gender identities that match the sexes?

Because it can be extremely confusing. I often have to work back through a comment to unravel which sex and which gender is being discussed and in what way.

Could you tell us why you hold the belief that a male human can have a womanly gender soul that overrides the material reality of their biological sex please?

Jane held Starmer to account on the radio over this so I don't think she holds that belief!

It might offer an explanation though - we have seen how this ideology has been allowed to proliferate there, how members of the university have tried to destroy free speech on its behalf and cancel speakers who are critical of it.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/cancel-culture-leads-cambridge-to-offer-lessons-on-free-speech-0g8rkhp3z