Why do all trans discussions end in a bun fight?

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I have a natal daughter who is a young adult. I try to keep an open dialogue with her as her thoughts are changing as she gets older.
She is not causing any discord to anyone. I try to help when desparate parents ask simple questions about their LGBTQ DC ( this week it was about getting a job). Within a few hours there are big fights re toilets and rape crisis centres. Yes these things are horrifying but every bloody thread gets high jacked with these points of law. There should be a subject category for parents of adult trans people. This would allow issues to be discussed without the OP being subjected to accusations of ideology or affirmation. I don't believe my DD is better as a male persona but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers. She's still my DC and all subjects are open to reasonable and lawful discussion. MNHQ can you please list a new category so people don't feel attacked and bullied?

Not sure why FWR are being scolded for it then.

We don't start threads about poster's children, and posters are unlikely to start them here unless they want GC focussed advice.

Or why demands are being made for boards which already exist.

I think this sums it up quite well.

I love the bun fight - cinnamon or raisin? We are not a hive mind and there are lots of very different opinions. Plus you have to be slightly mad to post in AIBU and not expect a backlash

Is that renowned on Planet Earth or just renowned in Cloud CuckooLand?

It's not. Maybe in the TRA hard of thinking community.

Can you not understand the difference between being pro-women and transphobic?

That seems to be the biggest difficulty for many, many people. Not a great reflection on our education system or critical thinking.

Generally because people say things that appear incorrect, misogynistic or homophobic to other posters but then refuse to clarify what they mean and just start calling names instead.

If you genuinely believe something, like that there are such things as genders which 'match' sexes, you should be able to explain what you mean.

I can understand it, and I went to Cambridge, thank you.
I don’t see this attitude as being pro-women. At all. I’m a woman and it certainly isn’t my cause.

She is not causing any discord to anyone.

Except forcing others to us wrong sex pronouns is something which is not a neutral act and has real world consequences.

It is an act of forced compliance and it undermines safeguarding.

We also have a duty to raise safeguarding concerns about harms to girls and young women from the snake oil of over promising 'a solution' and understating potential side effects.

The fact that you don't understand this, is why it ends up in a 'bunfight'.

Acknowledge that it does cause discord and that others should not be compelled to go along with you and your daughter's quasi-religious belief, and everything will be fine.

Tbh I'm not convinced this is being asked in good faith anyway. I think the purpose of the thread is to try and demonstrate your point...

thats fine, you do you

you stay on the side of ppl who think it’s fine to have a man running a rape crisis centre who bullied their staff and tells female rape survivors they need to reframe their trauma

and on the side of ppl who hold up signs saying decapitate TERFS

and on the side of ppl who think it’s fine for men to play in women’s sports

and on the side of ppl who think it’s fine for men to take prizes designed for women or to appear on 100 most influential women lists or to take places in programmes designed to increase women’s representation in politics

we’ll be over here in the side of women

There are harms being done to young lesbians. Trans ideology absolutely is homophobic.

Why should we stay silent on that?

If you genuinely believe something, like that there are such things as genders which 'match' sexes, you should be able to explain what you mean.

This.

I’m a lesbian. I disagree.

I don’t see this attitude as being pro-women. At all. I’m a woman and it certainly isn’t my cause.

Do you think that's how it works?

There have always been women who aren't interested, or actively work against women's rights.

Lots of lesbians disagree with you. HTH

I don’t see this attitude as being pro-women. At all. I’m a woman and it certainly isn’t my cause.

What does being pro-women mean to you?

I don’t see this attitude as being pro-women. At all. I’m a woman and it certainly isn’t my cause.

Ah! Thank you for explaining this, as we can now see where the misunderstanding has arisen.
Something being "pro-women" doesn't necessarily mean that all women agree with it - after all, could you even give an example of something that would fit that description?

It means capitulation and agreeing with the previous poster in all circumstances.

And yes, people who say "I'm a woman" should at least be able to say what they actually mean by that.

Are there any differences between a woman and a man? Or are they interchangeable terms, meaning "human adult"?

A lot of the hostility on here arises when people misunderstand what others mean by the terms they use - so some say "woman means female, nothing else" and others say "woman means any person of any sex" but can't specify any further. But because no-one's bothered to say what they mean then everyone talks at cross-purposes.

It's really unkind to suggest someone's child is causing upset to others by their very existence and insist that you know more than the OP about her child. I'm amazed some posters here can't see that or don't care.

So you’re pro women who agree with you? Not all women?

So, OP, your daughter follows a belief system that reinforces oppressive and regressive sex stereotypes, destroys freedom of speech, and causes gross harms to women’s rights. And you decide to post on the feminism and women’s rights board to object to us objecting to such a destructive ideology?