Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

[Christinapple]

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/trans-model-killed-in-tbilisi-after-georgia-passes-law-imposing-lgbtq-restrictions/ar-AA1qTM6V

A trans woman was murdered in Georgia (the country), just after a "pro family" anti-LGBT bill was passed. The law bans same-sex marriage, gender-affirming treatments, pride books and events etc.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dangerous-far-teenagers-brutal-assault-171552704.html

In Swansea, England a trans girl was attacked in a park by a man "using marital art moves". It happened in May but has came to light now after his phone was searched by anti-terrorism officers. The attacker is far-right, glorifies acts of terrorism, is anti-immigration and yes homophobic and transphobic.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

Given not only did you think that Swansea is England but when even the link you posted which goes to an article from WALES online (in large font) wasnt enough to educate you, I can only assume that both your knowledge and reading comprehension are so low that the rest of your "summary" of both incidents is probably completely inaccurate as well and therefore not worth debating...

I’m hoping they might at least learn from this thread that the second biggest city in Wales isn’t in England.

People with arms are murdered every day. Therefore there must be a huge wave of far-right, anti arms ideology on the internet and people are being murdered for having arms.

Or, perhaps people are killed, sadly, wrongly, terribly, for all sorts of reasons. Not just because of the first thing the media connect with them.

Also far right? Someone please, please tell me what that means... to the right of the person speaking usually...

Also far right? Someone please, please tell me what that means..

England is to the far right of Wales, at least.

Wait till you hear about the three primary school children, all girls, who were stabbed to death at a dance class during the school holidays christinapple, you’ll be horrified. That happened in the UK, not abroad.

Any lessons learned? Does a culture of a profound disrespect for women and a male dominated political system with its determined refusal to make misogyny a hate crime, lead to women and girls being murdered by men and to MVAWG being minimised? And to any discussion on here about male violence against women and girls being sidetracked by the usual NAMALT, WDIT, and WATM derails?

No need to soften it. You were bang on with the blunt version. Why are these two incidents of male on male violence actually noteworthy? Holy caste much?

I hadn't clocked who OP was. In my defense.

And tbh i hate, loathe and despise whataboutery. But given who OP is and given various convos on mn over the last week. I score one for the team, don't i?

“No need to soften it. You were bang on with the blunt version. Why are these two incidents of male on male violence actually noteworthy? Holy caste much?”

Noteworthy because attacks by males against males who identify as transwomen are extremely rare in the UK.

Unlike attacks by males against women. Which are not at all rare.

“Given not only did you think that Swansea is England but when even the link you posted which goes to an article from WALES online (in large font)”

My guess is that the explanation is that the poster is one of mumsnet’s North American visitors.

If talking about hating people and even making death threats and sexual violent threats so often that it's normal, and even kettling people, hitting them, throwing pee everywhere yada yada had any connection at all to actual danger, GC women would be piled up in the mortuaries in their hundreds. Those busy churning out this behaviour probably need to stop and think a bit before trying to say that saying 'no' to men and requiring them to let women have rights gets people killed.

Aren't you currently on another thread saying that a card held up by a man in a public place about killing women by guillotene wasn't a problem and women have no right getting upitty about it or regarding him as a threat?

I admit though I'm concerned about the bloke going around assaulting people with 'marital' arts. I dread to think what that involves.

That's awful, those poor people and their families.

I can feel empathy for these individuals, hold gender critical beliefs, and absolutely not be a far right supporter though.

Thanks you Necessary, you've summed this up succinctly I think.

I would be careful when using terms like "anti-LGBT laws".

Iran has some of the worst anti-LGB laws on the planet, so bad that they encourage gay people to change sex. The high rate of sex change surgery in Iran is due to it being a deeply homophobic country, one in which parents are asked "would you rather have a straight daughter or a gay son?".

One rape per hour is reported in London. So I'm not sure these two sad cases, one in another country, are representative of anything other than more male violence.

You missed a bit off which is who we will throw of the top of a tall building after the words gay son.

Putting this very bluntly, do trans rights activists celebrate every time a trans person is murdered because the murder can be used for political purposes?

Why is the first thought to come onto a site with GC people and point the finger?

I'm sorry for both victims. I don't feel I can comment on the Georgia case, as I have no real sense of the public discourse there, and whether the discussion of the laws influenced at all the murderer. However, here in the UK, I doubt this xenophobic, racist, homophobic and transphobic man got radicalised on Mumsnet.

That article doesn't explain what this "anti LGBTQ law" in Georgia actually is, so it's difficult to know what lessons could be learned from that.

There aren't any anti LGBTQ laws in the UK (quite the opposite) so it's also difficult to see how this can be blamed for the incident in Swansea.

You got it

Both stories are awful.
Im clearly being dim but I don’t see how women sometimes needing single sex spaces and saying so out loud is linked to them happening. Unless of course you think women saying no are responsible for male violence?
Remind me, which rule of misogyny is that again?
Edited to remove a stray g

Recently that transwoman who live streamed themself murdering and dissecting a cat, then murdered a woman- was jailed.

I think in the UK the number of transwomen who commit murder Vs the number murdered is about equal, and none of the murders as horrific as they are have been linked even slightly to anything going on in politics... They are linked to male violence though.

Interestingly the Guardian and BBC at least at first described this individual as a woman. No trans prefix. Murderers = women. Victims = Transwomen / Transgirls. 🤔

Quite. The old hippy phrase 'make love not war' springs to mind.

Iirc more women are murdered by transwomen than transwomen are murdered. I can't seem to put my hands on the source of that though, it was much discussed a few years ago.

I think the main learning for me is that men are a violent threat, really. Many women are murdered by them, but even more men are murdered by them every year. And they are nearly always the perp against people with trans identities.

Single sex spaces is a mitigation but really until we are ready to seriously address male violence then we aren't going to get anywhere on.this stuff.