Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/trans-model-killed-in-tbilisi-after-georgia-passes-law-imposing-lgbtq-restrictions/ar-AA1qTM6V

A trans woman was murdered in Georgia (the country), just after a "pro family" anti-LGBT bill was passed. The law bans same-sex marriage, gender-affirming treatments, pride books and events etc.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dangerous-far-teenagers-brutal-assault-171552704.html

In Swansea, England a trans girl was attacked in a park by a man "using marital art moves". It happened in May but has came to light now after his phone was searched by anti-terrorism officers. The attacker is far-right, glorifies acts of terrorism, is anti-immigration and yes homophobic and transphobic.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

Yes, this.

Lessons that need to be learned:

1. in order to prevent violence, we need to understand the actual and true reasons for them, not superimpose personal beliefs or try to create links where they do not exist. Factual reporting of crime, both within the media and within the legal system is crucial when producing data to make sure that fact based conclusions are reached, and the best possible preventions are put in place to protect every single member of our community - be they trans identifying, male, female, white or ethnic. The obsfucation of crucial facts serves no one and puts everyone at risk.

2. And Swansea is in Wales, not England. Deeply offensive to Welsh nationals to be stained with the dye of Englishness. Am sure many Welsh people will now be reeling from the trauma of mis-nationalising them (sending thoughts and prayers 🙏). So perhaps better education programmes in geography and/or Google?

Deeply offensive to Welsh nationals to be stained with the dye of Englishness. Am sure many Welsh people will now be reeling from the trauma of mis-nationalising them

Literal violence!

I consider myself to be a Welsh ally, as a naturalised Brit of South African origin. With little claim to any of the individual nations. 😇

Plus my married surname is Welsh and despite what DH says, a Welshman clearly got his leg over an English descendant somewhere in the past …

You might have meant "non-white", not "ethnic", as white people are grouped into various ethnicities as well.

Absolutely, I stand corrected. I need to update myself on that as am a little out of touch as to current terminology. 🙏

Men kill other men at higher rates than they kill women and children. I don't know why, I only know one side of that equation: Men commit 90% of the violence. I don't know why they kill other men at higher rates than they kill us, but it could be due partially to wars, the higher likelihood of men fighting each other and sadly, the weaker or unluckier one loses. Or other factors I can only speculate on. I think men should look into this serious issue that impacts them.

Indeed. This person could well have been killed for being male, rather than being trans. Statistically that’s more likely.

"Swansea is not in England" - but
"Ych y fi" is now in the OED so these are strange times!
Are we traumatised by this too do you think? Should we be? Is it identifying as an English phrase now? Is it all my fault? (I do say it a lot)
It's all so confusing....

Men kill other men at higher rates than they kill women and children. I don't know why...

We do know why, though. It's because men are far more likely to be criminals and being a criminal can be a dangerous business.

If a man isn't a criminal, there's very little likelihood of a man being a victim of male violence. Unlike women.

I understand not jumping to conclusions when discussing whether there may have been a link between the murder of the model in Georgia and the anti-gay Georgian laws, but at the same time legal changes do have consequences.

It's true that motivation of the criminals who attack minorities may be multi-faceted in many cases, and the police should carefully investigate whether hate, including misogyny, was indeed a factor; but it may be dangerous to extrapolate the present lack of a clear link in the Georgian case, or the Welsh case, to conclude that in general legal changes that are hostile to minorities (including women) have little to no bearing on violence against said minorities.

If a country decided that there would be no prison term for those physically/sexually assaulting women, for instance, I don't think anyone would be surprised if such a change emboldened those previously deterred by the prospect of serving time to actually proceed to committing crimes.

8.2 billion people in the world. Yet our fruity friend can only find 2 stories of male violence against other males who identify as the opposite sex, one incident happening in MAY.

Let's compare, shall we?

3 women are killed by men they know in the USA every day, on average.

In the UK, 2024 shows 50 women killed by men they know. Its only September.

Worldwide, more than 5 females are murdered by members of their own families EVERY SINGLE GODDAMED DAY. Fuck knows how many are murdered by strangers.

What lessons can we learn from this?

How about, male violence is a scourge to both sexes and females wanting single sex spaces free from males is so fucking understandable that you'd have to be a complete psychopath not to understand.

Are YOU a psychopath?

Trans person murdered in Georgia... by a man.

Trans person attacked in swansea... by a man.

The 'lesson' is that male violence is a huge global problem and needs to be properly addressed.

Just to add to this, the 2021 Census of England and Wales has listed the following ethnic groups for white people:

English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British

Irish

Gypsy or Irish Traveller

Roma

Any other White background

It seems like the other white groups (e.g. Italian, Romanian, Lithuanian) were classified as "any other White background", though previous censuses may have had a specific "White: Polish" group, if I recall correctly.

posting schoolboy howlers to get women laughing at you is one thing, doing it so blatantly on a thread about two dead people, well, I’ll leave everyone else to decide of the morality of that.

But that’s your faux ally right there.

Guessing that the OP has run away in shame.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases?

Is it this, OP?

TW pass and no one can tell they are trans.

TW are attacked for being trans.

We are told both these things are true but I have spotted a small flaw in trying to simultaneously believe both statements.

Absolutely. The fiction that all these violent men believed TWAW until feminists pointed out they are men is one of the more idiotic ideas around.

I mean, how long have feminists been saying “stop raping and killing women”? How’s that been going? I haven’t noticed these arseholes listening to us then.

The lesson might be that there are disgusting male criminals in every country, who will use any excuse to target someone who does not fit their idea of acceptable social norms.

Maybe at some point we will actually look into dealing with male violence, genuinely making the world better for everyone.

Admittedly there will be less opportunity to attack and belittle women if we do this, but we all have to make sacrifices.

Its an incredibly sleazy move that underlines that some people are here just to point score and genuinely couldnt care less about the people they pretend to care about.
But we knew that from experience.

The main lesson I'm learning from this is that it seems likely more trans people have recently died from complications surrounding surgery than from violence.

Why aren't more journalists talking about the recent tragic deaths of young people who have had gender 'affirming' surgery?

This OP doesn't have any shame, just posts crap and ignores anything that shows the crap for what it is

Indeed. In fact, more people die from rhino encounters in Africa than trans persons die as victims of male violence (seriously, google it…)

I feel we need a Rhino Deaths Day of Visibility, immediately.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

Interesting. So which anti women laws have led to all the murders of women and girls this year do you think?